[mac4theblind] Re: List policy and reminders
- From: Keith Reedy <keithreedy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:21:35 -0400
John,
You run a good list and I thank you for it.
kr
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Keith Reedy
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On Mar 25, 2015, at 11:02 AM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Not a problem Scott. I know from experience that happens. I figured you
> were just reading the responses and replying one by one.
>
>
> Take Care
>
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>> On Mar 25, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Scott Granados <scott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> My apologies as well, I didn’t see your directive to stop until I had posted
>> a bunch of messages responding and of course there’s no recall feature that
>> actually works. Didn’t intentionally mean to keep on when we were told to
>> stop. That’s what I get for reading from older to newer.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 24, 2015, at 6:05 PM, John Panarese <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I want to be clear about a few things that occurred yesterday. List
>>> traffic got exceptionally high, and I apologize to those of you who, like
>>> me, have enough to deal with in our inboxes during the course of a day.
>>> There were over 40 messages in regard to a subject that had really no place
>>> on the list, and there were 12 alone overnight..
>>>
>>> I was going to post the rules here again for the list, but I then decided
>>> that it shouldn't be necessary. I simply like this list to stay on topic
>>> and be a list for questions and answers for technical support matters.
>>> Understand that off topic is fine within reason, and I tend to let things
>>> slide, especially if I know the people posting and I also know they will
>>> not go too far astray. We've had it occur before, and it's generally not
>>> been a problem.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, I take some responsibility for what occurred yesterday, as I
>>> broke a few of my own personal rules about avoiding being drawn into
>>> debates with people who are not going to back down. Each response to
>>> messages yesterday generated more list traffic, and this is exactly the
>>> kind of situation you don't want on the list. Also, it is why I referred
>>> to it as "trolling", and I had two list members write to me within a half
>>> hour of one another also indicated that they felt the list was being
>>> trolled. One message was particularly humorous, and I thank the person for
>>> giving me a laugh at around 11:50 last night, as I needed it.
>>>
>>> Here is what would have happened if I had let things go in the direction
>>> they were heading. This individual sent me a link privately to an article
>>> he found that supported his assertions about PCs out selling Macs, and he
>>> was not aware that I had about nine links I collected or was sent by
>>> someone off list that talked about Macs eclipsing PC sales in the last 9
>>> sales quarters. The problem is, if links start getting posted to prove the
>>> sender's point, it simply goes back and forth and generates off topic
>>> traffic that eventually causes members to leave the list entirely. I've
>>> seen it happen on other lists, and I had to think of the overall state of
>>> the list, and not my own personal position about the subject I wanted to
>>> back.
>>>
>>> So, I choose not to post my links and end the topic, and in the words of
>>> one of our list members, who sent me the amusing message off list and
>>> though I will not identify them, I will basically quote one of their
>>> several comments here, "It's obvious there is an agenda at work here. Why
>>> invite a means for him to push that agenda. If he thinks Windows is so
>>> wonderful and he wants to live in the past, remove him from the list and
>>> let him do so elsewhere."
>>>
>>> I did not remove anyone from the list, though. I have not banned a member
>>> in the several years I've run this list. However, please do not push your
>>> luck either. The topic remains closed, but I wanted to address things
>>> because I had four list members write to me about this, and I also feel the
>>> list deserves an explanation.
>>>
>>> Also, on a similar note, as a word of advice, if you want to write me
>>> privately and give me suggestions about list policy changes, I certainly
>>> don't mind and will read them and may even institute them if I find them
>>> appealing. However, do not try to dictate list policy to me and tell me
>>> what I should do in your opinion. Start your own list if you want to run it
>>> in a particular way that suits your style. This list has existed for
>>> several years with its current policies and I was actually quite flattered
>>> and shocked by the number of people we now have subscribing here. I do
>>> thank all of the newcomers that have joined us in the last few months, and
>>> I apologize for not posting a welcome to you all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Take Care
>>>
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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