Yes, I have an iPad mini. This iPad mini, by the way, exhibits the same
problem. So it is it just the phone here doing it.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Have you got another apple device, and possibly go through these on facetime?
I could technically call you off the iPad, and go through the rotor with the
phone. Let me know if you want that, and we can then exchange things
privately.
Sent from a Braille Sense
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:54 pm
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Message illustrating the HTML markup problem Fwd:
[Well Fed] Five Dinners and so much more
************
Nope, that illustration was enough. You are just not seeing this as a table,
like I am. I have that extra thing in my rotor called Rows when messages
like this come up. I don't know why this rows is there. Well I do. It's
obviously because of something to do with this table thing. But why am I
seeing it and you are not? I don't have tables in my rotor. I've tried
punctuation completely off. I have looked in mail to see if there are any
settings there about HTML. I'm not finding any. I am at my wits end to think
of what setting you might have on or off that I have different.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mary,
Here comes Alex. Not the full message, but I can get it to read all of it,
if you want. And, sorry for the message notifications.
https://www.dropbox..com/s/d30q7bmwpa7yc6m/record04.mp3"dl=1
Sent from a Braille Sense
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 15, 016 7:04 pm
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Message illustrating the HTML markup problem
Fwd: [Well Fed] Five Dinners and so much more
************
OK, Sarah. From your reference to "classic view", It sounds like you are
using a Mac to read. I am using the phone. So that is a difference right
there. What interest me now is the demonstration that Rajmund posted,
using a different voice than the one I generally use, Alex. His audio
demonstration clearly showed that all of the table markup, rows and
columns, was not read.. The unlabeled images are, which is too bad. I have
images sent to read only those with tags, but I guess that doesn't apply
to HTML email. It never has before, and still doesn't. So I'm going to try
a different voice and see if that solves the problem. It still doesn't
solve it really, because I prefer Alex, rather than any of the other
available voices. But at least it's something I can tell Apple
accessibility, to help them narrow down this issue.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:************
Nope comes out fine here, the lists and links are clearly written as they
should be. All works very very well. She didn't label the images, but
there's nothing you can do about that. I'm in classic view here.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here is the message I said I would forward which illustrates the HTML
mark up problem I am seeing in a number of mail messages. I would be
very curious if there are any here who do not see all the table mark up
as you read through this message. If you don't see it, I really want to
know what setting I have that is different from yours.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
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Nope, that illustration was enough. You are just not seeing this as a table,
like I am. I have that extra thing in my rotor called Rows when messages
like this come up. I don't know why this rows is there. Well I do. It's
obviously because of something to do with this table thing. But why am I
seeing it and you are not? I don't have tables in my rotor. I've tried
punctuation completely off. I have looked in mail to see if there are any
settings there about HTML. I'm not finding any. I am at my wits end to think
of what setting you might have on or off that I have different.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2000@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Mary,
Here comes Alex. Not the full message, but I can get it to read all of it,
if you want. And, sorry for the message notifications.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d30q7bmwpa7yc6m/record04.mp3"dl=1
Sent from a Braille Sense
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx>
To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, September 15, 016 7:04 pm
Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: Message illustrating the HTML markup problem
Fwd: [Well Fed] Five Dinners and so much more
OK, Sarah. From your reference to "classic view", It sounds like you are
using a Mac to read. I am using the phone. So that is a difference right
there. What interest me now is the demonstration that Rajmund posted, using
a different voice than the one I generally use, Alex. His audio
demonstration clearly showed that all of the table markup, rows and columns,
was not read. The unlabeled images are, which is too bad. I have images sent
to read only those with tags, but I guess that doesn't apply to HTML email.
It never has before, and still doesn't. So I'm going to try a different
voice and see if that solves the problem. It still doesn't solve it really,
because I prefer Alex, rather than any of the other available voices. But at
least it's something I can tell Apple accessibility, to help them narrow
down this issue.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 15, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Sarah Alawami <marrie12@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nope comes out fine here, the lists and links are clearly written as they
should be. All works very very well. She didn't label the images, but
there's nothing you can do about that. I'm in classic view here.
On Sep 15, 2016, at 8:49 AM, Mary Otten <motten53@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Here is the message I said I would forward which illustrates the HTML mark
up problem I am seeing in a number of mail messages. I would be very curious
if there are any here who do not see all the table mark up as you read
through this message. If you don't see it, I really want to know what
setting I have that is different from yours.
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
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