oh i trust you, no worries. (grin) just pushing for as many tiny details as possible. :) At 02:41 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: >Gord has done his best with Python. NVDA folks are not as yet >involved. I think the best route to go is to have the Avid folks >continue working on it. I have lines to engineers and others over >there. Trust us. We're on it. Okay? >On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > > > Kevin, are the NVDA folks aware of this as well? Can anything be done > > with some sort of NVDA add-on? I gather this involves knowing some python. > > > > At 01:49 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote: > >> Wait a minute before you upgrade. Everyone on this list read what > >> I'm about to say very carefully, please! > >> > >> The accessibility available in Sibelius 7.51 is not as good as we > >> have been used to in 5.25, or for those of us who had the beta > >> scripts for 6.20. For example, it is not possible to know whether a > >> note has an articulation mark attached to it. hairpins and slurs > >> can be attached. But, when reviewing a score, NVDA will > >> consistently misreport the start and end point of a hairpin or slur. > >> > >> Gord has written a section in our documentation explaining what can > >> and can't be done when writing lyrics under music. > >> > >> The mixer is still completely inaccessible. > >> > >> Please wait until our documentation is posted on the Avid > >> website. You will be able to read this documentation without > >> purchasing the product. I can't recommend reading this > >> documentation strongly enough before, yes, that's before you > >> purchase Sibelius 7.51. Accessibility is definitely a work in > >> progress and you will probably be sorely disappointed if you migrate > >> from 5.25 to 7.51, as the level of accessibility in 7.51 is nowhere > >> near what we have in 5.25. Future versions will improve this. But > >> you need to have no illusions about the current state of accessibility. > >> > >> Kevin > >> On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > >> > >>> Kevin. Thank you! That is some of the best news I've heard in months! > >>> I'd better upgrade to Sib7 then. (grin) > >>> > >>> > >>> At 11:11 AM 9/17/2014, you wrote: > >>>> Guys, > >>>> This may be as good a time as any to let a cat out of the bag. > >>>> > >>>> Gordon Kent and I have been working closely with the folks at Avid > >>>> to enhance accessibility in Sibelius 7.51. It may be completely > >>>> coincidental that Avid has decided not to offer downgrades. But we > >>>> will be offering some special blind centric documentation for > >>>> Sibelius 7.51 and NVDA very soon. No JFW or scripts needed. > >>>> > >>>> Watch this space in the next month or so. > >>>> > >>>> Kevin > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Me too. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've sent a message to the product manager - I've got an automated > >>>>> out-of-office reply, but I know that this chap will respond > as soon as he > >>>>> possibly can. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best wishes. > >>>>> Tim Burgess > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chi Kim > >>>>> Sent: 17 September 2014 15:20 > >>>>> To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Problem: Avid Won't Downgrade Sibelius 7 to > >>>>> Sibelius 5 Anymore > >>>>> > >>>>> Tim, thanks for investigating. Please keep us updated. > >>>>> I really hope I'm wrong about this. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chi > >>>>> On 9/17/2014 9:28 AM, Tim Burgess wrote: > >>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I'm querying this state of affairs via my contacts within > Avid and will > >>>>> post > >>>>>> a definitive statement from them as and when I receive a reply. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best wishes. > >>>>>> Tim Burgess > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>> [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chi Kim > >>>>>> Sent: 17 September 2014 13:27 > >>>>>> To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>> Subject: [sib-access] Problem: Avid Won't Downgrade Sibelius 7 > >> to Sibelius > >>>>> 5 > >>>>>> Anymore > >>>>>> > >>>>>> HI All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is a sad news. I just talked to Avid tech support last Friday to > >>>>>> help one of my students, and they won't let you downgrade anymore. > >>>>>> The tech support told me that he cannot generate a new serial for > >>>>>> Sibelius 5 apparently. > >>>>>> He was aware of the accessibility with Sibelius 5 and the script. I > >>>>>> suspect this is going to be a huge problem now for new users. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Chi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>>>>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>>>>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>>>>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>>>>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> > >>>>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>>>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>>>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>>> > >>>>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>>>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>>>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >>> > >>> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >>> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >>> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> > >> If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > >> with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > >> sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message > > with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: > > sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message >with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: >sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message with the single word, unsubscribe - in the Subject line to: sib-access-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx