[sib-access] Re: The current state of accessibility in Sibelius 7.51 Please read carefully!

  • From: Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:47:33 -0400

oh i trust you, no worries. (grin) just pushing for as many tiny 
details as possible. :)

At 02:41 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote:
>Gord has done his best with Python.  NVDA folks are not as yet 
>involved.  I think the best route to go is to have the Avid folks 
>continue working on it.  I have lines to engineers and others over 
>there.  Trust us.  We're on it.  Okay?
>On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
>
> > Kevin, are the NVDA folks aware of this as well? Can anything be done
> > with some sort of NVDA add-on? I gather this involves knowing some python.
> >
> > At 01:49 PM 9/17/2014, you wrote:
> >> Wait a minute before you upgrade.  Everyone on this list read what
> >> I'm about to say very carefully, please!
> >>
> >> The accessibility available in Sibelius 7.51 is not as good as we
> >> have been used to in 5.25, or for those of us who had the beta
> >> scripts for 6.20.  For example, it is not possible to know whether a
> >> note has an articulation mark attached to it.  hairpins and slurs
> >> can be attached.  But, when reviewing a score, NVDA will
> >> consistently misreport the start and end point of a hairpin or slur.
> >>
> >> Gord has written a section in our documentation explaining what can
> >> and can't be done when writing lyrics under music.
> >>
> >> The mixer is still completely inaccessible.
> >>
> >> Please wait until our documentation is posted on the Avid
> >> website.  You will be able to read this documentation without
> >> purchasing the product.  I can't recommend reading this
> >> documentation strongly enough before, yes, that's before you
> >> purchase Sibelius 7.51.  Accessibility is definitely a work in
> >> progress and you will probably be sorely disappointed if you migrate
> >> from 5.25 to 7.51, as the level of accessibility in 7.51 is nowhere
> >> near what we have in 5.25.  Future versions will improve this.  But
> >> you need to have no illusions about the current state of accessibility.
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >> On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kevin. Thank you! That is some of the best news I've heard in months!
> >>> I'd better upgrade to Sib7 then. (grin)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At 11:11 AM 9/17/2014, you wrote:
> >>>> Guys,
> >>>> This may be as good a time as any to let a cat out of the bag.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordon Kent and I have been working closely with the folks at Avid
> >>>> to enhance accessibility in Sibelius 7.51.  It may be completely
> >>>> coincidental that Avid has decided not to offer downgrades.  But we
> >>>> will be offering some special blind centric documentation for
> >>>> Sibelius 7.51 and NVDA very soon.  No JFW or scripts needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Watch this space in the next month or so.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kevin
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Tim Burgess <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Me too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've sent a message to the product manager - I've got an automated
> >>>>> out-of-office reply, but I know that this chap will respond 
> as soon as he
> >>>>> possibly can.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best wishes.
> >>>>> Tim Burgess
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chi Kim
> >>>>> Sent: 17 September 2014 15:20
> >>>>> To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [sib-access] Re: Problem: Avid Won't Downgrade Sibelius 7 to
> >>>>> Sibelius 5 Anymore
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tim, thanks for investigating. Please keep us updated.
> >>>>> I really hope I'm wrong about this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chi
> >>>>> On 9/17/2014 9:28 AM, Tim Burgess wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm querying this state of affairs via my contacts within 
> Avid and will
> >>>>> post
> >>>>>> a definitive statement from them as and when I receive a reply.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best wishes.
> >>>>>> Tim Burgess
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> [mailto:sib-access-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chi Kim
> >>>>>> Sent: 17 September 2014 13:27
> >>>>>> To: sib-access@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Subject: [sib-access] Problem: Avid Won't Downgrade Sibelius 7
> >> to Sibelius
> >>>>> 5
> >>>>>> Anymore
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> HI All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This is a sad news. I just talked to Avid tech support last Friday to
> >>>>>> help one of my students, and they won't let you downgrade anymore.
> >>>>>> The tech support told me that he cannot generate a new serial for
> >>>>>> Sibelius 5 apparently.
> >>>>>> He was aware of the accessibility with Sibelius 5 and the script. I
> >>>>>> suspect this is going to be a huge problem now for new users.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chi
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