this is getting good isn't it? honestly, i respect everyone's opinions so far. i am not a totally ignorant tn-birder on this subject, and i am interested in getting the facts. i guess saying that all cats should be kept in seems a bit like ethnic cleansing. my experience is that some cats are better predators than others. some prefer birds while others prefer rodentia, or nothing at all. i'm not yet ready to condemn them all or the people who own them. living in an old cabin in the country, i need some help with varmits, and cats, even lazy cats, make a big difference. if i had a cat that brought me warblers, i would find a way to stop it, including keeping it inside by day. i am looking for that data that is not skewed by lumping all cats, house and feral. sounds like it may be out there and i'll take the advice and try and find it. i do consider myself a responsible cat owner, and don't like being lumped into the irresponsible bird killer category without good reason. i can't do much about tall glass buildings, or cell towers, or tva selling off good habitat for a private golf course, but i can control my pets. and if they misbehave, i will. meredith clebsch loudon county, tn (nice virtual brawl you've started carol!!) =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net Owner: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx (423) 764-3958 =========================================================