Mr. Thornton & other roaming-cat cat-lovers, It is most unfortunate that you have chosen to ignore facts because they don't fit "your beliefs". Dev, Meryl and others have taken the time to articulate exactly where scientific literature can be located that specifically refutes what you "believe to be the case". You would be wise to read a few such articles and reconsider your position on allowing your house cat(s) to roam. Unfortunately, Mr. Thornton, many bird species are not managing "nicely" - and many in the scientific community put the blame largely on the house cat - conservatively estimated to number 100 million (domestic and feral) in the US alone. That is why the American Bird Conservancy has begun a campaign called "Cats Indoors!". You would be wise to remember those two words. It is also why they, along with the National Audubon Society, the International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies, and other groups have concluded that domestic and feral cats have caused MAJOR declines in bird populations worldwide. Your "beliefs" are at odds with scientific findings. You mention theat you "don't believe that having outside cats and being a birder are mutually exclusive activities". So what? Beating your children and being a birder are not mutually exclusive activities either. I imagine that those dedicated workers that have spent years captive-breeding and reintroducing California condors, or the guy piloting an ultra-light airplane across the country with whooping cranes in tow might take exception to your comment regarding "our puny attempts to manage" birds. There are countless other examples of dedicated work to save species from extinction that hardly qualify as "puny". Have you ever considered the ripple effect that your free-roaming cat(s) has on wildlife in general? Everytime your cat kills a bird, that is one less bird for a bobcat, a hawk, or whatever other wild animal that must DEPEND on such prey for its survival. But that example only accounts for the birds your cat has killed - not the other 26-83 vertebrate species that it also kills each year! Multiply that times several hundred million! But that's OK Mr. Thornton - you've already demonstrated that facts aren't important to you. Your cat no longer fits into the ecosystem the way that cats did "eons" ago. They have been "semi-domesticated" - retaining the "hard-wired" instinct to kill but having few natural predators of their own. They can retreat every night to the comfort and security of a warm home and a bowl of Purina cat chow, only to rest and refuel and kill again. As a final thought to all who are still not convinced - consider how outraged most of you (roaming-cat cat lovers) would be if I told you that I indiscriminately killed a couple hundred songbirds every year! You'd be forming a lynch mob, even though you'll open your door every day and allow your cat to do the same thing! All cat owners have a responsibility to not allow their cats to roam freely. The roaming-cat cat-lovers on TN-Birds however, have an extra-responsibility to keep their cats indoors because they have been made aware of the havoc they are wreaking on wildlife, not to mention the spread of diseases (such as feline distemper) from feral (and unvaccinated) cats. At least the average cat owner who lets their cat roam can be given the benefit of the doubt - maybe they truly are ignorant of the problems they cause. TN-Bird cat lovers cannot be afforded the same degree of latitude - they HAVE been informed! Ignoring scientific evidence and research is directly at odds with what birding is all about! In this case, continuing to ignore it is a display of arrogance or faulty logic to jusitfy irresponsible behavior. Please reconsider & lets go birding....... W. Kelly Roy Knoxville =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net Owner: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx (423) 764-3958 =========================================================