Thanks Charles and Golan for shedding some light on people I saw in the BBS documentary. The Zimmers page was cool. I find the business of the protocols that existed before the TCP/IP tidal wave a very cool topic. Punter is in the docu, and Butterfield had mentioned him at World of Commodore as a guy who'd called up and railed at him for suggesting that people send Butterfield a quarter for his shareware programs. Subsequently Punter went on to write a commercial word processor program. If Punter's on this list perhaps he could give his side of that conversation. Hi Punter! The guys Justin Cohen and others I guess will remain a bit of a mystery. The BUG and Canada Remote Systems are good to hear about, because I've never heard of them. CRS has a Wiki page that I'll read presently. Watching the docu again it seems that there are three kinds people who were involved in the scene: people who had jobs in technology or were serious (Ham radio?) technology hobbyists and tripped over BBSes; high school students who gave it up upon going to college; and, people on the social fringe. Some of the last group are cooler than average. Some are wackos. Real MF'ing wackos. If you think I'm going to idolize the members of the Cult of the Dead Cow any time soon, think again. Thanks for your responses! Chris