[audacity4blind] Re: Inserting Audio within an Existing Track

  • From: Thomas Byskov Dalgaard <tbd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:13:24 +0100

Hi Gene!

I actually thought the same was the case until I started playing with the 
selection keystrokes.
I do not have the brackets on my keyboard, so therefor I use g for left and h 
for right bracket instead, thanks to advice from David Bailes! Fantastic tip.

You can hear how your edit sounds when pressing c (charlie) but be aware that 
you in some cases will get strange scratching noise, if you do this at the 
beginning of a file. In my setup the noise comes only on the left channel. 
Strange
When you’ve set your markers with G and H you can move the start of the 
selection by using ctrl-shift-rigt-arrow and the end of the selection can be 
moved with shift-ctrl-left-arrow. To select more of the sound use shift-left or 
rhgit arrow related to wich way of the selection you want to extend.
What I hope will be possible in the future would be:
1. Hotkeys so I could listen from the end of the selection to the end of the 
file without moving the cursor or the selection at all.
2. That the play loop would update itself  while it plays so you can adjust the 
selections in realtime, almost. That for me speeds some edits up a lot.

Hope this helps.

Best regards
Thomas
> Den 12/11/2014 kl. 19.25 skrev Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>:
> 
> It may be that in a long file, manually setting the time may be a good idea.  
> I never fool around with that method.  Are you aware that just right arrow 
> moves you slowly through a file, and that shift right arrow moves you quickly 
> through a file?  Right arrow and shift right arrow need to be used while the 
> file is playing to move as I described.  If you move when the file isn't 
> playing, you are moving the cursor.  And of course, left and shift left arrow 
> move you to the left while the file is playing.  To move quickly in either 
> direction, hold shift and right or left arrow.  To move slowly, just use the 
> arrow keys.  Move to a point slightly before where you want to set the left 
> marker.  While the file is playing, press left bracket where you want it set. 
>  The setting doesn't occur instantly, there is a fraction of a second delay.  
> Set the right time marker in the same way.  Frankly, Audacity does not set 
> the time as accurately as it should when using these methods.  There should 
> not be fractional delays.  I don't think there is a way to hear conveniently 
> where the right time marker is set.  Also, moving the markers incrementally 
> is not possible, as far as I know.  Audacity should have a way of setting 
> markers and hearing where they are set that works as Mp3 Direct Cut works.  
> There are commands in Mp3 Direct Cut to hear where both markers are.  there 
> are commands to move the markers by tiny increments back and forward.  So you 
> can move a marker by a tiny increment and then hear exactly where it is by 
> issuing the play from the marker command.  There is a command to play a few 
> seconds from the left marker and from the right marker. 
>  
> I have not made an in depth study of Audacity.  I know the basics and a 
> little beyond so there may be things I don't know and the feature I am saying 
> should be there may be there and I may not know it.  But I doubt it.  I don't 
> recall ever seeing such a feature discussed as being in the program and I 
> think I would have by now if it were available.
>  
> Gene
> Hi David, I almost never use control-a, but in order to get to a 
> specific point in a long file for the insertion I am referring to, I 
> press the left bracket to bring up the time spin boxes, specify the 
> minutes and seconds, tab over to OK, and find my exact entry point from 
> there.  Could this be a problem when I then paste in the file to be 
> inserted?  If I press the home key to deselect any audio as you suggest, 
> I still need to find my entry point without listening to or 
> right-arrowing through the entire long file.
> 
> Rich De Steno
> 
> 
> On 11/12/2014 9:58 AM, David Bailes wrote:
> > Hi Rich,
> > one possibility for the behaviour which you describe, is that before using 
> > the left bracket, you've pressed ctrl+a to select everything. Pressing 
> > ctrl+a selected all the tracks and selects a time range which covers all 
> > the audio. If you press left bracket during playback when there's a time 
> > range already selected, this changes the position of the start of the time 
> > range, and leaves the end of the time range unchanged.
> > If this has been the problem, then either:
> > 1. after pressing ctrl+a, press home to deslect any time range and move the 
> > cursor to time zero.
> > 2. Instead of use ctrl+a, either use enter to toggle the selectedness of 
> > tracks, or press ctrl+shift+k to select all tracks (without affecting 
> > whether a time range is selected).
> >
> > If this wasn't the problem, could you give a detailed list of actions that 
> > you're doing?
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, 12 November 2014, 13:32, Rich De Steno <ironrock@xxxxxxxxxxx 
> > <mailto:ironrock@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > I know this subject has come up before on this list, but I still cannot
> > get it right.  When I want to insert a piece of audio or a track within
> > an existing track, I place a left square bracket at the entry point in
> > the existing track and press control-v for pasting. However, this always
> > overwrites the prior audio after the left bracket, rather than pushing
> > it back.  I get around this by braking up the sections into separate
> > tracks and using the connect tracks option in the tracks menu, but that
> > involves more work.  How do you paste audio within an existing track
> > without overwriting?
> >
> 
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