[bksvol-discuss] Re: Dialect in books
- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:14:24 -0500
Oh, Forest Gump has a ton of dialect. I had to read every word in those
books to determine whether it was a scanno or actual slang.
Smile. Was a definite test of my editing abilities.
Edited Forest Gump and Gump and Co.
Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
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From: "Amy Goldring Tajalli" <agoldringtajalli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Dialect in books
Cindy,
Do you mean dialect or a foreign language. I know dialect may be more
difficult, especially when written, than Standard English but it is English
mixed with what is often called slang or jargon. Huck Finn and the slave
Jim spoke in a dialect. I have not read Forrest Gump but in the movie he
was speaking English but with a slight southern accent. Now in Les Miserable
there were songs that were not translated from the French and I still don't
know what they meant but that was just carelessness on the part of the
translator and editor but it was that or read an edtion which not only
translated all of the French but rearranged and really edited the book,
leaving me wondering what Hugo really wrote.
The book has a number of chapters about the Argot used by the criminals in
the book and while it was difficult to follow and even more difficult to
remember there was a reason for it and in those chapters Hugo explains it.
It is unfair to the reader to edit or "translate" the language of a book
unless the reader knows you are doing it and it is clear that you are acting
as an editor. See we supposedly just transcribe or scan and correct the
scans I don;t feel we have the right to change the books unless you
include a note after the original text with your translation and saying why
you included it - not replace the original.
What is Bookshare's agreement with the publishers and their rule if any
about changing the text of the books we scan and validate.
Sorry Cindy, I think you should just pass on books you feel the need to
edit.
Amy
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From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:48 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Dialect in books
>
> I hate dialect in books. I'm so glad that Shelley
> posted that Forrest Gump had a lot of dialect so I
> stayed away from it. I didn't mind the Welsh so much
> in The Dark Is Rising sequence, because there wasn't
> too much of it, but I chose not to do a Catherine
> Cookson book because there was too much of it. When I
> read a book with dialect I tend to mentally translate
> it into normal English and ignore the dialect, but if
> I had to listen to the book, I don't know if I could.
>
> In case there are other readers like me, and even more
> so readers won't think there are mistakes, I put in
> the long synopsis that there's dialect, and/or English
> spelling and/or punctuation, and usually if there's
> profanity or swearing. Unfortunately, I forgot to put
> the latter in the long synopsis of The Man from
> Nowhere/Bitter Grass.
>
> Cindy
>> > Jill, it will not take much work to fix up my
>> already
>> > scanned rtf file. I will pick the book up tonight
>> if
>> > we go to town for the fish fry at the church or
>> > tomorrow if we don't. We have kind of crappy
>> weather
>> > here.
>> >
>> > Then I can see where the first page number occurs
>> and
>> > just put in page numbers and do whatever it needs
>> to
>> > fix the chapter headings.
>> >
>> > I already fixed the space question mark problem
>> and
>> > one scanno that I found.
>> >
>> > This book it's so hard to tell what is a scanno
>> > because of the dialect and language they use.
>> >
>> > I am finding the same thing with the book I have
>> been
>> > scanning this week, Thud!. A lot of their words
>> are
>> > hWhat and I kept thinking why is it doing that and
>> > when I would check the page that is how it is
>> written.
>> > Or the last page I scanned last night had I
>> belive.
>> > And I thought what is up with my scanner and
>> Omnipage?
>> > And that's exactly what it says in the book. But
>> if I
>> > were a validator I would say oh that's wrong and
>> want
>> > to fix it. These are things I should put in the
>> > comments section when I upload it, right?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jamie in Michigan
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