[bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: Em-dashes
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:21:26 -0500
I echo your sentiments, Katie. I am getting books from bookshare.org that
would be unavailable to me through NLS or guttenberg, although I also
appreciate these resources. II, as a validator, think some of our
submitters produce top drawer scans! Some of the books are very easy to
validate because the sbmitters have done such an excellent job!!!
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Katie Star" <kaitlyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 9:07 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: Em-dashes
> HI Shelley,
>
> Yes, the national library does have some first class readers!
>
> Though all things aside. Getting a scanner a year ago February and joining
> bookshare has opened up a whole new world for me. To all the scanners and
> validators... Keep up the good work!!!
>
>
> Katie Hill
> Miracles happen not in opposition to Nature, but in opposition to
>
> what we know of Nature.
>
> -St. Augustine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Estelnalissi
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 6:28 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: Em-dashes
>
> Dear Shelly and Mickey,
>
> No doubt about it, NLS is the Cadillac of braille. My way of showing my
> appreciation is by having an NLS hard copy braille book going at all
times.
>
> However, when I was growing up, our family never owned a Cadillac nor even
a
>
> new car of any model. Used and less luxurious transportation never failed
> us. Arriving at the destination was the point, as delivering a wider
variety
>
> of books is Bookshare's point. In that it has succeeded and outdistanced
my
>
> expectations. It's rocked my intellectual and entertainment worlds and
> allowed me to do volunteer work I love.
>
> It has been very interesting reading about the NLS process for creating
> their great volumes, though even I find a misplaced dot every few hundred
> pages.
>
> On the other hand, I've got a slew of bookshare brf files lined up to go
on
> to a flash card and then to my braille note. Especially in the excellent
> files and sometimes in the good ones, the corners bookshare has to cut to
> make the enormous wealth of books available to us don't disturb me. I'm
> aware with every line I read that without bookshare this book would be a
> beloved and longed for object with nothing in it's print pages to say to
me.
>
> I persisted in discussing 2 main topics because it was important for me to
> get to the bottom line and understand what I should and should not be
doing
> as a validator. I'm cool now...until I discover another glitch where I
> realize I don't know what I'm doing.
>
> Always with love,
>
> Lissi
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:44 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: Em-dashes
>
>
> > The answer is, that NLS does do most to all of their Braille by hand.
> >
> > The ladies here at the Cleveland Sight Center, don't even scan and OCR
> > their
> > stuff when they translate textbooks for local schools, they type them by
> > hand. NLS actually doesn't do any of the Braille themselves, it is done
> > by
> > Braille transcribers working around the U.S. even Duxbury and Monty,
and
> > Mega Dots do a lot of mistakes that a good proofreader goes in and finds
> > them and sorts them out. Look at National Braille Press, they use
"jiffy
> > Braille" which means no proof reading when they make the zinc plates to
> > publish the books which is why the books are cheap. And yes NBP
> > acknowledges that their books have errors, and I have found several, not
> > glaring, but certainly not stuff that would pass muster with a NLS
> > proofreader.
> >
> > To get truly great formatted Braille, you do have to read it, and know
> > what
> > the rules are. Which is my friend the reason NLS only adds about one
> > hundred Braille titles a year.
> >
> > The same time and attention is put into their recorded books and their
> > narrators get paid by the "good recorded minute". They have to research
> > pronunciations, preview the book several times to make sure of pauses
and
> > the rest and even explore the pronunciations of the particular languages
> > that are used in certain books.
> >
> >
> > Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> > and Judson, guiding golden
> > juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> > Graduate Alumni Association Board
> > www.guidedogs.com
> >
> > Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> > Puppies are the joy at one end.
> > Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> > Carolyn Alexander
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 12:46 AM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Fw: Em-dashes
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Jana. But that brings up a question: If NLS can put out such
> > good
> > Braille, why can't Bookshare do what they do. Surely, they don't do it
by
> > hand, do they? Or do they? If they use software to get such nearly
> > perfect
> > translation, why can't Bookshare just use that instead of all this talk
> > about why the translator can't do m dashes correctly? How does NLS do
> > their
> > translation? Does anyone here know the answer? Maybe some proprietary
> > government-only software that noone else can have access to?
> >
> > Thanks.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jana Jackson
> > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 9:32 PM
> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Fw: Em-dashes
> >
> >
> > Hi, Everyone! Here is a response from Jim Fruchterman regarding the
> > question of em-dashes. Sorry, I just realized that I forgot to send it
> > over
> > last night. <Smile>
> >
> > Jana
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jim Fruchterman
> > To: Jana Jackson ; Gustavo Galindo
> > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: Em-dashes
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Jana. I took a look at the digest from Saturday, and I assume
the
> > answer is that we don't want to move away from the way the book was
> > printed:
> > we have made a commitment to publishers and authors to work to bring the
> > scanned texts closer to the original. If we have a preference from
> > Braille
> > readers to change our Duxbury output, I'd rather keep the focus on that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Fruchterman
> >
> > jim@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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