Charlene, One of the topics covered in the validation instructions is normalizing of running headers and footers. It is usually easier to strip them, though, than normalize, so I asked Marissa right after becoming a volunteer if Bookshare had a problem with stripping them by hand since the Stripper would strip them if they are normalized and was told no, to go for it since that typically produces better results, but to leave the page numbers. According to the validation instructions, the stripper replaces the page numbers with pagination code to allow DAISY books to be navigated by page. I suspect that this is the reason why Bookshare does not drop the Stripper from the release process and why it may be some time before members have the choice of whether or not to strip after downloading a book. So far, I have only worked on books which have the title and the author's name in the running headers, so there was no value in having them on every page and, therefore, no value in normalizing them. In the case you were talking about with the cookbook, however, as well as the case of running headers in text books, I would suggest trying to protect them the same way you would a chapter heading. I believe Carrie said that she and Gustavo placed a copy of the chapter heading above each original chapter heading with a blank line in between when they worked on the recent Harry Potter book. I've also always had good results with placing the page number above the chapter heading. With these two things in mind, I'd suggest either placing a duplicate of the running header above each header or simply the page number above each header if the page numbers are included in the headers. Don't forget to leave the blank line in between them, though, because some volunteers have said that omitting a blank line from between a chapter heading and the first paragraph also prevents the header from being stripped. I've never tried this myself, though, since I prefer a blank line after chapter headings. Good luck with submitting your cookbook. Gerald Exert from Validation Instructions * Pagination, page numbers and running headers and footers: After validation, Bookshare.org books are sent through an automated script that attempts to do four things: 1. Identify page numbers, 2. Identify recurring text at the top and bottom of each page (called "running headers/footers"), 3. Remove all running headers and footers, and 4. Replace page numbers with pagination code that will allow readers to navigate the published book by page. This automated script is designed to work well on a typical scanned book, so if the file you are working on was scanned with decent software and pagination was left intact, you should not need to do any additional work to ensure correct pagination in the published file. Volunteers can assist this tool by "normalizing" headers, footers, and page numbers in submitted files where they do not appear consistent. -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Charlene Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:30 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Header question One thing I'd like to have clarified, because I usually don't validate, is it one of the steps in the validation process to delete headers and footers or is it something people do by choice? Seems to me it's a part of the book. Also, why take the time to delete them if the stripper's going to do it? Also, if I understood things correctly, a copy of the validated book is kept before it is subjected to a stripping, so why are we removing things from the books? Just trying to sort out this whole issue and appreciate the help! Maybe you could say I'm stripping away the confusion at least that I have about this whole issue. Thanks! Charlene -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cindy Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:22 AM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Header question Sighted readers, too, Mike and Charlene. Except for dictionaries and encyclopedias, I never realized they had a function, as I never utilized them. For nonfiction, I always used the index, and for both nonfiction and fiction, I used the table of contents if I wanted to get to a particular chapter or section. Then I suppose when I'm validating now, at least until bookshare decides what to do, I should leave the headers but make sure they're not garbled and put the page number on a separate line in case the header gets stripped. But I suppose you're talking about chapter headers. Do author or book title headers serve any purpose, or should I continue to delete them? Cindy > Perhaps if blind readers were better educated as to > how books were > constructed and why particular info were included, > they might be less > opposed to them. > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs