Thanks, Mayrie, all your suggestions do help, and I'm learning a ton from all of you! This whole thing has been weird, to say the least! Changing the paper size did help a little, I got the file down from 553 pages to 467 that way, with a huge paper size of 11 x 22! Changing the font size didn't seem to help, though, but now thanks to your suggestions, I've made Times New Roman and 10 point my default font for both Word and Kersi. Mark suggested rerecognizing the pages using another engine, which we did, and we managed to get a seemingly clean file so far, as far as the extra hard page breaks go. Unfortunately, though, it wasn't as clean a scan as it was with scansoft(I used Fine engine this time), so there is a bunch of work for me to do before resubmitting the file for validation again. I am not a Jaws user, I use Window Eyes, but it acts like you said, saying "page break" for hard page breaks and just a page number for the soft ones. Cait -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:15 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued Hi Cait! I honestly do not know what the problem could be. Christina did have a good point. I'm just clarifying here. When you open your file in Word it has too many actual page breaks, right? Not soft page breaks that go away when paper size isn't an issue? All of the suggestions about standardizing font and enlarging paper size won't help if there are too many hard page breaks. Hard page breaks meaning those that are not inserted by Word because of paper size. Hard page breaks are actually announced if you are using JAWS as you arrow over them. JAWS will say "page break" when passing over a page break, but will just say "page 32" for instance when passing over a soft page break. So, if your overabundance of page breaks are hard page breaks, I'm stumped. Wish I had something more encouraging to say. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of My Nickels Worth Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:45 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued Hmm.. Ok. I saved that nice long post you did a while ago about the black belt validation stuff- isI'll have to dig that out again and reread it. The whole baffling thing with this was that I scanned the book, etc, prevalidated it in kersi. Everything looked fine, so I submitted it. I got a note saying that there were too many page breaks, so I rechecked my original .rtf file, and sure enough, there were indeed, too many pages. So I started the entire process again, starting with the original .kes file, converting it to .rtf, etc. Everything looks fine in kersi, but when I opened it in Word, it had 553 pages instead of 353. What's confusing to me is that the original .kes file is page for page what's in the book.. This is crazy making!(smile) Cait Ps-I really appreciate all this help! -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:03 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued Hi Cait! I'm not Lissi, but you can use either program. I do it in Word at the end of the prevalidation process along with surrounding page breaks with blank lines and changing em dashes to double hyphens. These are all things that can be done in seconds when using Word. You can use Kurzweil for the page break protection and the font standardization, but Kurzweil doesn't allow an easy way to convert em dashes to double hyphens. So, and this is just me, I just do all of it in Word. Mayrie -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of My Nickels Worth Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:50 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued Ok, I can try that, too. Should I fix it in Word, or K1000? Cait -----Original Message----- From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Estelnalissi Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:06 PM To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Jumper bso weirdness, continued Dear Cait, Lowering the font size for the whole file may help. Always with love, Lissi ----- Original Message ----- From: My Nickels Worth <mailto:lavendar@xxxxxxxxx> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Jumper bso weirdness, continued Ok, I went ahead and changed the paper size in Word from letter to Legal, as Christina suggested. That took the document from 553 pages down to 467 pages.. Any other suggestions? In /through all this, Kersi is still adament that the same document is 353 pages. Cait To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. 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