[bksvol-discuss] Re: The case of the proliferating page breaks
- From: "Kim Friedman" <kimfri11@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:20:28 -0700
Hi, Judy, I prefer to get rid of them because they confuse me. Here's an
example: Start with the assumption that I proofread .rtf files using MS
Word. I wouldn't mind those soft page breaks so much where you have
Hindu-Arabic numbers and Roman numerals written in the file for
prefatory pages. It wouldn't matter a jot. But if you are told to put
Roman numerals in a book where there are unnumbered pages, then those
soft page breaks will mess you up because my screen reader will report
page breaks where there shouldn't be any. I'm going by what I hear and
by what I can touch on the Braille display. If I use Ctrl+Page Down to
find the next page, I must hope where I reach is the next page (hard
page break) of the book. Will my screen reader be fooled and land me
after a soft page break? That's why I prefer them out of my way.
Regards, Kim Friedman.
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Kim, I'm confused--why do you need to get rid of soft page breaks?
They're OK to leave in and won't mess up the page numbering or page
breaks for the final book.
I have had one or two books where setting the page length to 22" (the
maximum word allows) still didn't create a page that was long enough for
the text in the original printed page.to fit without Word inserting a
soft page break into the file. That happened when the original page had
several columns of text on it that needed to be turned into one long
column to be readable for a bookshare book.
Judy s.
Kim Friedman wrote:
> Hi, Mayrie, just for grins I made a third copy of the original file. I
> opened the file, selected all, did the find-and-replace for extraneous
> blank lines. It changed Ms. Word's page count from 256 to 255. So your
> suggestion helped a little bit but not by much. So what does one do
> now after this to get rid of soft page breaks? Regards, Kim. P.S.:
> Really weird, isn't it? K.
>
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mayrie ReNae
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:13 PM
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> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The case of the proliferating page
> breaks
>
>
> Hi Kim
>
> Are all of the page breaks hard page breaks?
>
> If you can't really tell, but you're pretty sure that your problem is
> too much white space in big chunks, you can try this:
>
> Open the find and replace dialogue by pressing control plus h In the
> find box of the find and replace dialogue type ^p^p^p (That's the
> caret followed by the lower case letter p) In the replace box type
> ^p^p Hit enter on replace all. Repeat this process until Word tells
> you you've made zero replacements.
>
> What you're doing here is eliminating all big chunks of white space,
> but keeping single blank lines if they need to be there, which might
> help to get rid of soft page breaks if they exist.
>
> And, no, your screen reader isn't causing the problem.
>
> Good luck, and let us know if this helps.
>
> Mayrie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kim Friedman
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:16 PM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] The case of the proliferating page breaks
>
> Hi, I'm working on a document which is kind of peculiar. First of all,
> the submitter set the whole thing to custom size (22 inches by 8.5
> inches) and the paragraph presentation was set to the usual standard
> as mentioned for optimum proofreading. Even though this was apparently
> the case, the document when opened in Word 2003 said the file had 256
> pages when the actual page count in the book is 216 pages. I followed
> this
> procedure: 1. Selected the entire document which took me to the bottom
> of the file: 2. Entered the format menu and selected the paragraph
> settings. My question is how is it possible for one to get into the
> paragraph settings and somehow deselect the document so that one isn't
> getting the whole file set correctly? I was under the impression when
> one selected the entire document and went into the paragraph
> presentation dialog boxes that whatever changes one made was supposed
to
> affect the whole document and not have the internal pages set
> differently from what it's supposed to be. Is there some settings in
> Word which are configured wrong or is it some peculiarity of the
> scanning program or OCR which has messed up this pagination so this
> proliferating page break situation occurs? I consulted with Rick Costa
> who had the file in front of him. I was told that about ten percent of
> the document must have a lot of white space which seemed to cause the
> huge amount of page breaks. He is also curious to know if the screen
> reader affects the file in any way. I don't think this is so just
> because its job is simply to read what is on the monitor screen. I
don't
> see how an .rtf file or it's opening in MS Word should affect it. I
also
> don't see why going into the paragraph presentation in the formatting
> menu should deselect what was selected. Do any of you know? This would
> be very helpful to submitters who turn in files and it would also help
> proofreaders who come across this proliferating page break phenomenon.
> Regards, Kim Friedman. P.S.: The book I'm working on is Scales of
> Retribution by Cora Harrison. (It is the sixth installment of the
Burren
> mystery series by her.) K.
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