And another note: Even with the Braille Lites, if you download a text file, you can turn View in Grade 2 on and view it in Grade 2. Of course, if you have to make any changes, you'll need to enter those changes in computer braille because the file is still in ASCII format. It's just translating whatever happens to be on the display at any given moment but not the whole file. Take care. Julie Morales inlovewithchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Windows/MSN Messenger (but not email): mercy0421@xxxxxxxxxxx ----- Original Message ----- From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Where are those contrarians? You can read .brf in contracted braille on the newer notetakers such as Pacmate Braillenote and Braille Sense. What notetaker do you have? How do you now read .brf files? All the notetakers have find features.