Hi Chris and Jan
I have to admit that sometimes I give up too because of self censorship - as
English is not my primary language and precise expression of deep thoughts
is art of work.
No one give us so much criticism as we do to ourselves. I didn't see any
language "attacks" at this forum. Hough.
And thanks of English we can share our reflections around the world! This is
a miracle for me.
Cheers
Hania from Perth (Australia)
On 22/12/2008, Chris Walsh <chrisjwalsh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all,
I agree that more vigorous debate on CT would be a good thing. That can
easily be done without being sarcastic and disrespectful. In fact if
everyone is clear what respect means then this sort of debate becomes more
possible.
I think the so called censorship alluded to by Wilfried and Jan Bily is
self
censorship as no one has ever been criticised on this forum for the quality
of their English.
However the native English speakers could make it easier for the rest by
keeping their posts short, to the point and clear. Some people send in
cryptic posts regularly. While they are quite clever I think they can make
non-English speakers feel their English is not good enough to join in. So
it
is good for us all to bear that in mind as well.
Merry Christmas to all from sunny warm Australia.
hasta la vista
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
webpage: <http://www.cwalsh.com.au> www.cwalsh.com.au
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Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Hania response
Hi Hania,
You describe exactly my feeling; as a "mostly non-active" observer I
see here much supports, sometime very ornate expressed, but I'm
missing (from time to time) the real discussion that could be also
critical and controversial. Yes, I'm not very active in CT - so it is
also my fault. But firstly English is not my language (and so I agree
with Wilfried in his remark about the "hidden" censorship - the
language) and than, subjectively, from my point of view many postings
are too much thankful but the content is missing. Or, maybe, it is
hidden behind the "nice expressions".
In my "Men-Seminars" I often observe that the group has a tendency to
celebrate itself, with nice and refined formulations and elegant
phrases. But this keeps the group from having the real contact to
itself, which is, often, not "nice". This also creats a group
protection against the critical self-reflection. I than use to say
(only in the "rough" men groups): Please, stop the self-blessing. Then
the space for deep questions may start to open.
Here, in Czech Republic, we have one big problem within the
"constellator scene" - nobody is critical to others. Only the
"outside" critics are present - unfortunately providing mostly the
sort of critic, which is not useful (because of wholly missing the
point). I thing, the main danger for CT is not an occasionally
occurring "bad boy" amongst of the discussion partners. It is not the
spam or the "hurting" contributors, it is the glorifying that we
produced by ourselves. And it is the perfection of this forum that
protects the "un-perfects" (like me) to write some posts. Maybe this
is one of the reason there are mostly contributions from
Anglo-American and -Australian facilitators but practically none from
outside of this space.
Cordially
Jan Bily, Prague
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