I appreciate immensely your points. And I also agree that we should work
only with people that consciously ask for help.
With that said I think I wasn't clear about my question. My question is if
you are just exemplifying a family order, where there is no client. Only the
facilitator expressing the structure of a family. If that example develops
into a constellation, especially in terms of energy, then who's
constellation is that? What information are we accessing?
Thanks for all your answers.
Bernardo
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Ursula Franke
<praxis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
Querida,
very interesting talk! Thank you all for your views.
I just want to point out two things.
My observation is that when people come for a constellation and cannot
clearly express their issue
we often have to do with an interrupted reaching-out movement, a
biographic - although sometimes
systemic pattern - of early childhood dynamics. Then we find the client in
a
kind of regression
where he or she is inabled to find clear thoughts.
Another very different idea I heard from Guni Baxa: What actually are we
setting up when we set up the client
or an ancestor? Researching on that topic it seems so evident that each
person is just an example for an element in
the family pattern that might be repeated through many generations. So
setting up the client could include in his
embodyment the grandmother and the great great grandmother (and how many
more??) all at the same time.
And setting up the grandfather will include all the generations of
information and patterns that created the essence of the
family system.
And as in the spiritual tradition of Oneness, dealing with our own pain is
to deal at the same time with the family systems pain
which at the same time is to deal with pain itself or pain of all in our
global system.
Very curious to hear more from you.
Kind regards from Germany
Ursula Franke
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Bernardo,
My opinion is that we deal we very powerfull fields ando so we have to be
carefull. also I think that the desire to help is also a powerfull force
but
we have to be hewere that is the person does not ask for help maybe he/she
does not want, does not need or is not read yet. If we tray to help someone
that has not asked for help we are interfering and putting ourselves above
the person. I like that Bert Hellinger book about the empty center (Centro
Vazio) where tehe constelator have to free himself/herself of any disere to
help or interfere with the work.
That is my point of view.
Maria Luiza
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From: Bernardo Ramirez
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Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:37 AM
Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Question about examples in workshops
Yesterday I was participating in a FC workshop. The trainer decided to
make
an example of how order worked in a family and so she asked some people to
exemplify a family with two living children and two unborn.
After a few generalists movements to explain the participants what order
was
all about, the representativs started to move and act like in a real
constellation. Sudenly they where feeling and acting like in a clients
constelation.
I was caught in the emotional that somehow we are doing work for families
that need help and are asking for me even if not in a conscience manner.
Somehow I had the feeling there might be a lot of work to be done to help
people in levels deeper then the asking for help one.
Any thoughs on this matter?
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