I think the energy in the example constellations is really interesting.
Possibly we access a sort of archetype energy.
Maybe it is a bit like where the energy comes from in the writing of a novel or
a movie - we could equate the novelist with the faciliator but because there
are more people than the facilitator involved it could be the creative
interaction of the energy connections of each group participant (including the
observers).
To understand its relevance to the particular group where there is no specific
client maybe it is important to ask 'who benefits?' In the immediate space it
will probably be more relevant to certain participants than to others. When we
do example constellations we are looking at situations or dynamics and the
opportunity is there to learn things we didn't realise, to understand more
about the complexity of the self and the group, to increase our outrage, our
compassion, our acceptance, and to open us fully to the experience of being
human. The benefit to those who are not present is like the ripple effect - as
we do our own work we change our dance steps, because we change the space
becomes available for others to change.
Gail
To: ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.comFrom: bernardorosaramirez@gmail.comDate:
Sun, 21 Sep 2008 20:17:23 +0100Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Question about
examples in workshops
I appreciate immensely your points. And I also agree that we should workonly
with people that consciously ask for help.With that said I think I wasn't clear
about my question. My question is ifyou are just exemplifying a family order,
where there is no client. Only thefacilitator expressing the structure of a
family. If that example developsinto a constellation, especially in terms of
energy, then who'sconstellation is that? What information are we
accessing?Thanks for all your answers.BernardoOn Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 PM,
Dr. Ursula Franke<praxis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:> Querida,>> very interesting
talk! Thank you all for your views.>> I just want to point out two things.>> My
observation is that when people come for a constellation and cannot> clearly
express their issue> we often have to do with an interrupted reaching-out
movement, a> biographic - although sometimes> systemic pattern - of early
childhood dynamics. Then we find the client in> a> kind of regression> where he
or she is inabled to find clear thoughts.>> Another very different idea I heard
from Guni Baxa: What actually are we> setting up when we set up the client> or
an ancestor? Researching on that topic it seems so evident that each> person is
just an example for an element in> the family pattern that might be repeated
through many generations. So> setting up the client could include in his>
embodyment the grandmother and the great great grandmother (and how many>
more??) all at the same time.> And setting up the grandfather will include all
the generations of> information and patterns that created the essence of the>
family system.>> And as in the spiritual tradition of Oneness, dealing with our
own pain is> to deal at the same time with the family systems pain> which at
the same time is to deal with pain itself or pain of all in our> global
system.>> Very curious to hear more from you.>> Kind regards from Germany>>
Ursula Franke>> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----> Von:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>>
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>]Im>
Auftrag von Paulo Ferraz e> Maria Luiza> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. September 2008
15:34> An:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>>
Betreff: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Question about examples in workshops>>>
Bernardo,>> My opinion is that we deal we very powerfull fields ando so we have
to be> carefull. also I think that the desire to help is also a powerfull
force> but> we have to be hewere that is the person does not ask for help maybe
he/she> does not want, does not need or is not read yet. If we tray to help
someone> that has not asked for help we are interfering and putting ourselves
above> the person. I like that Bert Hellinger book about the empty center
(Centro> Vazio) where tehe constelator have to free himself/herself of any
disere to> help or interfere with the work.> That is my point of view.> Maria
Luiza>> ----- Original Message -----> From: Bernardo Ramirez> To:
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>> Sent:
Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:37 AM> Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Question about
examples in workshops>> Yesterday I was participating in a FC workshop. The
trainer decided to> make> an example of how order worked in a family and so she
asked some people to> exemplify a family with two living children and two
unborn.>> After a few generalists movements to explain the participants what
order> was> all about, the representativs started to move and act like in a
real> constellation. Sudenly they where feeling and acting like in a clients>
constelation.>> I was caught in the emotional that somehow we are doing work
for families> that need help and are asking for me even if not in a conscience
manner.>> Somehow I had the feeling there might be a lot of work to be done to
help> people in levels deeper then the asking for help one.>> Any thoughs on
this matter?>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>>
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