Bernardo,
That is a good question! Maybe of some repesentative who had a issue in the
same struture as the example or maybe the constelator. I've seen when
demonstrating the family order the repesentatives to becomes touched just in
seeing the father or the mother or their kids, but since these roles are common
to all of us it is explaned. But if a constellation develops, I'm wonder...
Very good question!
Maria Luiza
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernardo Ramirez
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Question about examples in workshops
I appreciate immensely your points. And I also agree that we should work
only with people that consciously ask for help.
With that said I think I wasn't clear about my question. My question is if
you are just exemplifying a family order, where there is no client. Only the
facilitator expressing the structure of a family. If that example develops
into a constellation, especially in terms of energy, then who's
constellation is that? What information are we accessing?
Thanks for all your answers.
Bernardo
On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Ursula Franke
<praxis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> Querida,
>
> very interesting talk! Thank you all for your views.
>
> I just want to point out two things.
>
> My observation is that when people come for a constellation and cannot
> clearly express their issue
> we often have to do with an interrupted reaching-out movement, a
> biographic - although sometimes
> systemic pattern - of early childhood dynamics. Then we find the client in
> a
> kind of regression
> where he or she is inabled to find clear thoughts.
>
> Another very different idea I heard from Guni Baxa: What actually are we
> setting up when we set up the client
> or an ancestor? Researching on that topic it seems so evident that each
> person is just an example for an element in
> the family pattern that might be repeated through many generations. So
> setting up the client could include in his
> embodyment the grandmother and the great great grandmother (and how many
> more??) all at the same time.
> And setting up the grandfather will include all the generations of
> information and patterns that created the essence of the
> family system.
>
> And as in the spiritual tradition of Oneness, dealing with our own pain is
> to deal at the same time with the family systems pain
> which at the same time is to deal with pain itself or pain of all in our
> global system.
>
> Very curious to hear more from you.
>
> Kind regards from Germany
>
> Ursula Franke
>
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> Auftrag von Paulo Ferraz e
> Maria Luiza
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. September 2008 15:34
> An: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Betreff: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Question about examples in workshops
>
>
> Bernardo,
>
> My opinion is that we deal we very powerfull fields ando so we have to be
> carefull. also I think that the desire to help is also a powerfull force
> but
> we have to be hewere that is the person does not ask for help maybe he/she
> does not want, does not need or is not read yet. If we tray to help someone
> that has not asked for help we are interfering and putting ourselves above
> the person. I like that Bert Hellinger book about the empty center (Centro
> Vazio) where tehe constelator have to free himself/herself of any disere to
> help or interfere with the work.
> That is my point of view.
> Maria Luiza
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernardo Ramirez
> To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:37 AM
> Subject: [ConstellationTalk] Question about examples in workshops
>
> Yesterday I was participating in a FC workshop. The trainer decided to
> make
> an example of how order worked in a family and so she asked some people to
> exemplify a family with two living children and two unborn.
>
> After a few generalists movements to explain the participants what order
> was
> all about, the representativs started to move and act like in a real
> constellation. Sudenly they where feeling and acting like in a clients
> constelation.
>
> I was caught in the emotional that somehow we are doing work for families
> that need help and are asking for me even if not in a conscience manner.
>
> Somehow I had the feeling there might be a lot of work to be done to help
> people in levels deeper then the asking for help one.
>
> Any thoughs on this matter?
>
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