Dear Robert,
With regards to your question are there any "regular, peer to peer practice
groups for facilitators"
here in Australia. In Sydney we have a wonderful group of people that meet
once a month
( contact myself, Maria Dolenc or Frank Breuer) and I am sure there is also
in Melbourne (contact Chris Walsh) and
in Brisbane (contact Yildiz Zethi ).
Thanks also Anni for the suggestion of connection via Skype which I am sure
would be very valuable for those in more
isolated areas to have a connection with others.
Thanks also to the very valuable and rich discussion atm.
Jonine
Jonine Lee Gabay
Breathwork, Counselling/Coaching, Family Constellations,
Co Ordinator Integrative Breathwork Trainings(IBT).
Level 1/762 Pacific Highway,
Gordon NSW 2072
M 0402067024
E jonine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
W <http://www.coreconnectiontrainings.com> www.coreconnectiontrainings.com
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Robert Grant
Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012 9:53 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Re: rape
Dear Annie,
I find your point very valid -
" If we approach the constellation from a place where we as facilitators
feel fear, then we must relinquish some of our need to help. We have moral
obligations to be of service that is rooted in a loving landscape."
In my experience most facilitators harbour fears on various levels.
Unfortunately I do not see regular, peer to peer practice groups for
facilitators to deal with this perennial problem. Please let me know if
there are any in Australia.
Kind regards,
Robert
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, anni <annimukkala@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:annimukkala%40yahoo.ca> > wrote:
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Hello everyone, Regarding the possible connection between rape and incest
one must always be working on the particular dynamic that presents itself,
not on a dynamic that has presented prior to. To contrast Stephan's
observation, I have worked with persons where incest is the apparent
of an ancesstral rape. In this particular dynamic the ancestor bore achild
from the rape and this precipitated a dynamic where incest became theaware
re-balancing family response. I believe that we must in each case, be
of what is this particular situation and not rely on past experience noron
experience of other facilitators. Addressing the particular situation cana
only be done with regard to what presents during the constellation.
I also would like to suggest that if a facilitator approaches a dynamic
such as rape and experiences fear, there is an ethical need for that
facilitator to examine his or her own fear before being able to proceed
with a "disinterested"(unbiased) perspective toward the entire dynamic in
constellation.fear,
The single thing that most concerns me when working with sexual trauma
survivors is that the person is not in any way re-traumatized. If we
approach the constellation from a place where we as facilitators feel
then we must relinquish some of our need to help. We have moralobligations
to be of service that is rooted in a loving landscape.many
If we feel a need to help when we ourselves need help, then we must first
address our own need.
With regard to specific constellation on rape, I have in the past, set up
a representative for the perpetrator energy rather than for the
perpetrator. When the victim found her own place in her family system the
perpetrator energy gently withdrew. In this particular instance, a trial
was pending and it was inappropriate on many levels to place an specific
representative for the perpetrator. I offer this only because there are
many ways to approach these things. We must allow our inner sense of what
is needed at that particular moment to provide direction. Sometimes a
person comes for a specific issue such as sexual assault and there are
other constellations that come up first with regards to the place in the
family. I find that seldom do I work with the trauma first. Other matters
appear to take precedent.
Lastly, with regard to whether sexual assault is in constellations
equivalent to murder, I do not see this. However, the system seems to be
affected deeply by it. There are similarities perhaps. When the individual
finds his or her place in their own family system the perpetrator energy
seems to dissipate. It becomes less. Usually this is accompanied by its
retreat. From this place then there comes a greater peace in the
individual.
Sometimes the victim even notices some of their own perpetrator energy
after these movements. This a a healthy balance. We all have perpetrator
energy in some way and to see it in addition to our victim energy is a
place of balance.
Thank you all for this conversation. I always seem to write a lot. It is
my nature. I find it brings things to fruition to speak them.
Have a wonderful weekend. Love to you all, Anni Mukkala Stinn
