Thanks Oscar for raising this important topic
some research I've seen about cognitive styles
divides people into linear or advanced linear thinkers, (60% of the population)
systems thinkers ( less than 40 %) and systems of systems thinkers
(one percent more or less).
Not everyone "sees systems" is what I take from this research.
Even people who have a lot of experience with constellations can
have a hard time seeing how their own system (family of origin) is playing
out in the realities of the workplace or other settings that they are
struggling to
deal with. (I raise my hand here on this one)
My impression is that the people who are drawn to this work are from
the smaller percentage of the population who already have a systems
perspective.
Someone who is a linear thinker might end up at the constellation workshop
but this work simply might not be a "fit" for the way they process information.
If they do find value and return then by definition they are or are becoming a
systems thinker.
Warmly,
Harrison Snow
https://changedynamicsinternational.com
________________________________
From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on
behalf of Heiki Eesmaa heiki.eesmaa@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 8:28 AM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Some people do not get constellations...help!
It is also a question whether one considers it ethical to work with folks who
are unlikely to get much this-worldly out of this work. "Proof of the pudding."
I have become skeptical in questioning whether the good vibes of a beautiful
constellation sometimes reinforce the client's problems by enacting too much of
a spiritual fantasy to shield from the pains of everyday existence.
all the best
Heiki
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Laure Porché
laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:laure.porche@xxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
I feel compelled to point out that some people will just not respond to
constellation, and that though their soul might be getting something out of it,
it would be getting much more with a modality that resonated with their
unconscious structure. That's ok, and it's also ok to recognize that and say so
without taking away from the person's experience. I find it a good idea for
facilitators to have a grasp of many different modalities (by experiencing them
themselves) so we can refer people elsewhere if we feel they would benefit more.
Blessings!
Laure
On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 00:57 OSCAR WESTRA VAN HOLTHE
oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
Hi all,
I have a question. It feels somehow a bit vulnerable to share, but it is
important to me, as I want the work to be inclusive for all...
The issue:
I've had three people (of the many I see) in the last year who did not get the
concept of constellations while doing it at an event of mine.
Initial thoughts:
Some initial observations about the people who did not seem to grasp the
intensity of the work that (almost) everyone experiences:
(1) they did not feel the "role/place"-representation; they could not imagine
someone else to represent their XYZ ["Stand-ins cannot possibly be my XYZ,
right?"]
(2) they were not able to look beyond the "here and now" and link their pasts
with the image that unfolds ["I don't get why stand-in XYZ does old behavior,
it's different now!"]
(3) they were all not in touch with their body, rather living from their head
or living out scripts from others or from society but in no way from their core
selves and identity,
(4) they seemed new to awareness practices like constellations, and perhaps
even unwilling to let go of control and unable to "look at" themselves from a
third perspective,
(5) they seemed unknowingly living with re-traumatizing defense and survival
mechanisms; caught in an eternal split, not knowing who they are and what
they/others do...
So what?
So far I've found our constellations practice very connecting across many
different kinds of people, yet, this seems to be "a thing" where I either get
with my feet on the ground with regards to the limits of constellations, and
need to accept it's not for all of us at just anytime...or...what? Anybody else
had similar experiences so far?
It seems to me an important topic as I so wish this work to be inclusive for
everyone, and these very rare cases intrigue me...
Thanks for sharing any insights / advice / opinions / similar experiences!
Would love to hear from fellow colleagues.
Love, peace, and happiness,
Oscar
Oscar Westra van Holthe
call / whatsapp me directly: +31 (0) 616261381<tel:%2B31%20%280%29%20616261381>
private coaching: oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
for business coaching: oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:oscar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
WESTRA VAN HOLTHE
systemisch advies, onderzoek, training en coaching
website<http://westravanholthe.com/>,
facebook<https://www.facebook.com/westravanholthe>,
linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/westra-van-holthe>,
@westravanholthe<https://twitter.com/westravanholthe>,
@denksystemisch<http://twitter.com/denksystemisch>
BLOCKBUSTERS
Learn more about our coaching days<http://blockbusters.biz/coaching-days/>,
burnout prevention
program<http://blockbusters.biz/2016/03/30/burnout-prevention-program>,
whistleblower
program<http://blockbusters.biz/2016/03/30/whistleblowers-program/>, our branch
innovation circles<http://blockbusters.biz/branchwide-assemblies/>, and
training<http://blockbusters.biz/training2017/>.
Follow our latest developments: website<http://blockbusters.biz/>,
facebook<https://www.facebook.com/Blockbusters-990817824312681>,
linkedin<https://www.linkedin.com/company/blockbusters-consultancy>,
twitter<https://twitter.com/blockbustersuni>.
CORPORATE CULTURE STRATEGY
Culture made visible and tangible. Hack your team/industry
dynamics<http://corporateculturestrategy.com>.
