Dear Anne -
Thanks for your wonderful addition to the thread.
It stirs one thing in me that I feel is worth sharing with the other
contributors and readers. I have said before and here it is again: in the
United States explaining Constellations by drawing on Love's Hidden Symmetry
is a dead end. The idea that the family system balances itself often on the
backs of its youngest members, rendering them ill if that serves the wider
whole comes straight out of that book. Leave it alone. I agree it feels
malevolent, and primitive. It is not necessarily incorrect; it is just
unhelpful because it creates workshops of empty chairs.
Yes, I too am interested in other facilitators experiences of opening up
the American mindset to this essentially mystical reality as a foundation
for healing.
Dan
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Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Tinnitus or Breast Cancer--Dynanics?
Dear Dan,
Your thoughts, and in fact this entire thread, are helpful to me as I
prepare to facilitate a constellation workshop focusing on chronic illness
this Sunday. I am always reflecting on how best to communicate what we do in
constellation work in my very conservative city of Cincinnati, Ohio.
What stood out for me in your e-mail was the beautiful contrast between the
ancestors sucking loved ones into the whirlpool of entropy and the
presence of loving, adoring ancestors creat[ing] a sweet breeze propelling
the client towards the horizon of a long, healthy life."
It is, I think, a very foreign thing for modern-day Americans of European
descent to imagine their ancestors as alive and present. Perhaps the closest
thing we have to this notion somewhere on the outskirts of our mainstream
culture is the Catholic tradition of the communion of saints. I have been
doing some reading about how this notion compares to indigenous tribal
approaches to ancestors. One article by a Catholic priest working in an
African setting referred to the fact that Catholicism sees the saints (of
course a more global concept than ancestors) as a consistently benevolent
group, whereas in indigenous cultures, the ancestors often need to be
appeased otherwise they can wreak havoc. As an American of Catholic
heritage (along with Calvinism), my identification with American materialist
culture has had the upper hand in some of my attitudes despite my Christian
mystical leanings--and despite the fact that I was drawn to constellation
work because its sacramental quality felt so deeply familiar.
It has been utterly new for me to think of my ancestors as being present to
me as a daily resource constellation work has slowly opened me up to this
reality. For most Americans I know, no matter what their ethnic background,
it is quite a stretch.
So in dealing with chronic illnesses, or other entanglements, the idea that
the family system balances itself often on the backs of its youngest
members, rendering them ill if that serves the wider whole, is a hard one to
swallow. It feels malevolent, and primitive. I wonder, if this idea did not
feel so foreign, if constellation work would make more sense to the American
mindset. The idea of the ancestors actively blessing us is only a tad less
strange to us.
So while your comments on how healing happens in constellations through a
radical transformation of the ancestral energy make wonderful sense to me, I
do think I have had to grow into this perspective. I am interested in other
facilitators experiences of opening up the American mindset to this
essentially mystical reality as a foundation for healing.
All of this makes me remember how deeply I appreciated Jane Petersens story
at the end of the recent conference in San Francisco about her big, burly
Scots ancestors protecting her on a dark, lonely road
Thanks to all.
Anne B. Becker, M.A.
Cincinnati, Ohio
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Hania Moser <haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Chris and Allstress"
Chris, I've found your post very confusing - as you're throwing away -
in one shoot - psychosomatic scientific findings and then you're
stating "What was discovered however was that poor stress management
and high levels of stress both contributed to and exacerbate almost
any physical or psychiatric condition."
- could you please be specific what do you mean by a "high level of
and how it's different from psychosomatic symptoms?... As it seemsyour post suggests:
obvious that stress is a description of physiological pressure which
leads to changes in body functioning, forming an illness, if the
pressure is too heavy and too long for the body to cope with. (There
are interesting articles about some confusions with the word stress,
so popular and commonly used now; it was firstly used by non-English
speaker and scientist-endocrynologist Hans Selye in 50ties, who is the
father of physiology of stress; it's hard to believe that before him
no one was using that word in the meaning we know now).
What you call "stress" must be therefore the same what is a core of
psychosomatic relations between body and psyche!
I'd like to know more about your findings about researches you've
mentioned which would proof that there is no substantial evidence
about links between psychological condition and physical condition - as
post).
"Some very reputable medicos including university professsors made
very confident assertions almost none of which were ever borne out by
evidence. One notable exception was a relationship between type A
personality when combined with certain speech patterns having a strong
correlation with high blood pressure."
During my university studies in 80ties and following my interests in
psychosomatic psychology with practical application of this knowledge
to my practice in over 20 years, I've learnt that there have been
conducted researches with evidence about links between psyche and
body, and there is a lot of evidence (not just assertions) about it.
And having clients in psychotherapy with specifically psychosomatic
issues I've experienced also that there are links between psyche and
body, with withdrawing somatic symptoms following psychotherapy (sorry
if that sounds too obvious, but that's why I'm writing in response to your
C
Below - for those interested in the subject of brast cancer - I pasted
an excerpt from a naturopath article about so called personality C
(scientifically proved in 80ties as a correlation with breast cancer,
and later also linked to other types of a cancer); that text indicates
similar findings from others:
Dr. Jean-Jacques Dugoua:
Recently, behavioural oncologists have attempted to conceptualize a
Type C personality type, i.e. a personality type more at risk for
cancer. Based on their findings, the following characteristics
describe a Type C
personality:
- denial and suppression of emotions, in particular anger
- pathological niceness
- avoidance of conflicts
- exaggerated social desirability
- harmonizing behaviour
- over-compliance
- over-patience
- high rationality
- rigid control of emotional expression (anti-emotionality)
According to behavioural oncologists, the façade of pleasantness with
a Type C personality will collapse over time due to the impact of
accumulated stressors, especially those evoking feelings of
depression and
reactions of helplessness and hopelessness. The coping style of Type
personalities, i.e. excessive denial, avoidance, suppression andthe evidence.
repression
of emotions, appears to weaken natural resistance to carcinogenic
influences.
Recent studies show that psycho-social stressors which are
characterized by inadequate and repressive coping mechanisms are
associated
with changes in immune competency, including both humoral and
cellmediated
immunity. Relationships between different immune parameters
(natural killer
cell activity, lymphocytes, serotonin uptake, mean platelet
volume) and
mood states, psychological coping styles and personality
variables have
been discovered.
In the case of breast cancer research, studies show that the clinical
course of the disease is influenced by psycho-social factors and
coping
styles. Breast cancer patients have a more favourable outcome
when they
have a higher fighting spirit, a greater potential for aggression and
lesser suppressive tendencies.
Do not ignore the association between your mind and your physical
symptoms. As we see from research, a symptom that is diagnosed as
only in
your mind, can translate into a disease in your body! This
reminds me of a
cartoon I saw in a newspaper a few years back. A tombstone had the
following engraving: I told you it wasnt only in my head.
With Love
--
Hania Moser, M.Psych., Melbourne
*
Knowledge is learning something every day. Wisdom is learning of
letting go every day. Zen Proverb*
On 22 February 2012 22:01, Chris Walsh <constellationflow@xxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
Hi Michael60s
Traditional western medicine went down the path of trying to relate
specific psychological characteristics to specific illnesses in the
50s
and 70s. This branch of medicine was even given the special name ofor
psychosomatics. Some very reputable medicos including university
professsors made very confident assertions almost none of which were
ever borne out by evidence. One notable exception was a relationship
between type A personality when combined with certain speech
patterns having a strong correlation with high blood pressure.
What was discovered however was that poor stress management and
high levels of stress both contributed to and exacerbate almost any
physical
psychiatric condition. I think we can extrapolate from this findingto
that entanglements that interfere with us receiving our life force
from our parents will do the same, as these entaglements decrease
our resistance
stress. I don't know how rigorous the audience would be at a
alternative health conference but I for one would be certainly be
impressed by a presentation that takes into account the current state of
geschreven:
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Michael Reddy
<michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
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Hi Martin, Maria,
Thanks for your posts.
Maria, perhaps I should have explained more. I have to sit at a
table in March at an exposition on "alternative methods for
healing and preventing breast cancer." I'm trying to augment my
experience as much as possible for the purpose of being able to
talk to people at the exposition. It's not for the purpose of
facilitating actual constellations.
I agree with your statement, in effect, that "any symptom can
relate to anything." On the other hand, it's not helpful to say
that in a US context where constellation work is largely unknown.
What I would like to be able to say to people is something like
"while it may or may not relate to your own or your loved one's
situation, our community has seen cases where such and such was
involved, or at other times, this or that."
I hope that clarifies the query further.
Best,
Michael
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Maria Goossens wrote:
Dear all,
It is very interesting to collect cases with a certain
pathology, tinitus, breastcancer, whatever, ... However, each
human being is unique, each symptom can catch every possible
energy. The same symptom can even catch the energy from
something different with each novel constellation. It is
impossible to link symptoms with a specific entanglement.
Best wishes,
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 21 feb 2012, om 16:52 heeft Michael Reddy het volgende
dynamics
Hello All,
Can anyone offer information based on their experiences with
cancerthey have seen behind tinnitus (ringing in the ears) or breast
(especially when it recurs after treatment)?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Best,
Michael
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