Hello All,
Between posts to this list and replies sent to me directly, I have now
cut and pasted 4137 words of valuable reminders, ideas, and
perspectives into a word document entitled "Breast Cancer and
Tinnitus." Thanks to everyone for these wonderful responses. I plan
to look into GNM as I get time. I came to the discussion with most of
the caveats offered pretty much in mind, but it's good to hear them
repeated.
Some of these caveats have to do with the tension between "top
down" (focused on orders, patterns) and "bottom up" (trying to avoid
these and see everything fresh and new) thinking that I discuss at
some length in my three part article series in THE KNOWING FIELD,
entitled "Constellations and the Evolution of Worldviews." I view
this as a necessary balancing act, where both ends of the spectrum are
necessary, and the place to be is in the middle range.
What Maria is calling the "background" of the disease, I think of as
an "anchor." So, we have the physiological or behavioral momentum of
the organism to consider, and as well as the originating or anchor
agent. If there is very little physiological or behavioral momentum
involved in a condition, then removing the systemic anchor sometimes
shifts the condition quickly. But other times, you remove the anchor,
and now you have just freed up the organism to start shifting its
direction, and you need to apply other remedies to help it.
I would like to respond to Chris's remarks about psychosomatic sources
of illness at greater length, but that will have to wait for another
time. However, it does seem to me that there still remains an
interplay between the immune system in the Tibetan monks' and the
bacteria that cause ulcers. And that interplay is always going to be
subject to emotional and mental influences on the strength of the
immune system (which are I think established) relative to this or that
attaching agent.
I very often agree with Dan on things, but not so much on the idea
that we cannot speak a certain way about ancestral influences in the
US. I routinely say that the family soul "will choose the good of the
group at times over that of the individual member." But I don't see,
or explain this as something ironclad or malevolent. The family soul
exerts a pressure for certain needs to be met. In my experience, the
most empathic and loving souls are the ones that most often respond
and step in to carry the load. The family soul is expressing its love
for the survival group of the family, and the responding individuals
express a subconscious blind love in answering to its needs.
I think the "malevolent" idea, except in rare cases like ritualized
abuse, is simply an overlay. To see it that way instills fear and
places a dark intentionality where there may only be a natural and
love-based process at work. Coming from shamanism, I have seen and
had to deal with genuinely dark energies on occasion, but I think they
are rare in our work.
I want to suggest that really malevolent influences come about only
when successive retraumatizations have created a kind of nested
bitterness. There are many layers of anger that have to be unwrapped
one by one. In short, the entity has for the time being given up
trying to find peace or get well and has shifted to trying to spread
the suffering it undergoes to others--especially any who dare to offer
the help that has already failed many times. This is now genuinely
malevolent. It is different from the kinds of transgenerational
traumas we mostly see, I think. In Franz Rupert's terms, it would
only be seen, for example, in severe cases of bonding system trauma.
Thanks again for this wonderful conversation.
Sincerely
Michael
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On Feb 22, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Dan Booth Cohen, PhD wrote:
Dear Anne -
Thanks for your wonderful addition to the thread.
It stirs one thing in me that I feel is worth sharing with the other
contributors and readers. I have said before and here it is again:
in the
United States explaining Constellations by drawing on Love's Hidden
Symmetry
is a dead end. The idea that the family system balances itself often
on the
backs of its youngest members, rendering them ill if that serves the
wider
whole comes straight out of that book. Leave it alone. I agree it
feels
malevolent, and primitive. It is not necessarily incorrect; it is just
unhelpful because it creates workshops of empty chairs.
Yes, I too am interested in other facilitators experiences of
opening up
the American mindset to this essentially mystical reality as a
foundation
for healing.
Dan
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[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of anne becker
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 9:22 PM
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Tinnitus or Breast Cancer--Dynanics?
Dear Dan,
Your thoughts, and in fact this entire thread, are helpful to me as I
prepare to facilitate a constellation workshop focusing on chronic
illness
this Sunday. I am always reflecting on how best to communicate what
we do in
constellation work in my very conservative city of Cincinnati, Ohio.
What stood out for me in your e-mail was the beautiful contrast
between the
ancestors sucking loved ones into the whirlpool of entropy and the
presence of loving, adoring ancestors creat[ing] a sweet breeze
propelling
the client towards the horizon of a long, healthy life."
It is, I think, a very foreign thing for modern-day Americans of
European
descent to imagine their ancestors as alive and present. Perhaps the
closest
thing we have to this notion somewhere on the outskirts of our
mainstream
culture is the Catholic tradition of the communion of saints. I have
been
doing some reading about how this notion compares to indigenous tribal
approaches to ancestors. One article by a Catholic priest working in
an
African setting referred to the fact that Catholicism sees the
saints (of
course a more global concept than ancestors) as a consistently
benevolent
group, whereas in indigenous cultures, the ancestors often need to be
appeased otherwise they can wreak havoc. As an American of Catholic
heritage (along with Calvinism), my identification with American
materialist
culture has had the upper hand in some of my attitudes despite my
Christian
mystical leanings--and despite the fact that I was drawn to
constellation
work because its sacramental quality felt so deeply familiar.
It has been utterly new for me to think of my ancestors as being
present to
me as a daily resource constellation work has slowly opened me up
to this
reality. For most Americans I know, no matter what their ethnic
background,
it is quite a stretch.
So in dealing with chronic illnesses, or other entanglements, the
idea that
the family system balances itself often on the backs of its youngest
members, rendering them ill if that serves the wider whole, is a
hard one to
swallow. It feels malevolent, and primitive. I wonder, if this idea
did not
feel so foreign, if constellation work would make more sense to the
American
mindset. The idea of the ancestors actively blessing us is only a
tad less
strange to us.
So while your comments on how healing happens in constellations
through a
radical transformation of the ancestral energy make wonderful sense
to me, I
do think I have had to grow into this perspective. I am interested
in other
facilitators experiences of opening up the American mindset to this
essentially mystical reality as a foundation for healing.
All of this makes me remember how deeply I appreciated Jane
Petersens story
at the end of the recent conference in San Francisco about her big,
burly
Scots ancestors protecting her on a dark, lonely road
Thanks to all.
Anne B. Becker, M.A.
Cincinnati, Ohio
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM, Hania Moser <haniamoser@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Chris and Allaway -
Chris, I've found your post very confusing - as you're throwing
in one shoot - psychosomatic scientific findings and then you'restress"
stating "What was discovered however was that poor stress management
and high levels of stress both contributed to and exacerbate almost
any physical or psychiatric condition."
- could you please be specific what do you mean by a "high level of
and how it's different from psychosomatic symptoms?... As it seemsthe
obvious that stress is a description of physiological pressure which
leads to changes in body functioning, forming an illness, if the
pressure is too heavy and too long for the body to cope with. (There
are interesting articles about some confusions with the word stress,
so popular and commonly used now; it was firstly used by non-English
speaker and scientist-endocrynologist Hans Selye in 50ties, who is
father of physiology of stress; it's hard to believe that before him- as
no one was using that word in the meaning we know now).
What you call "stress" must be therefore the same what is a core of
psychosomatic relations between body and psyche!
I'd like to know more about your findings about researches you've
mentioned which would proof that there is no substantial evidence
about links between psychological condition and physical condition
your post suggests:
by
"Some very reputable medicos including university professsors made
very confident assertions almost none of which were ever borne out
evidence. One notable exception was a relationship between type Astrong
personality when combined with certain speech patterns having a
correlation with high blood pressure."knowledge
During my university studies in 80ties and following my interests in
psychosomatic psychology with practical application of this
to my practice in over 20 years, I've learnt that there have been(sorry
conducted researches with evidence about links between psyche and
body, and there is a lot of evidence (not just assertions) about it.
And having clients in psychotherapy with specifically psychosomatic
issues I've experienced also that there are links between psyche and
body, with withdrawing somatic symptoms following psychotherapy
if that sounds too obvious, but that's why I'm writing in responseto your
post).
pasted
Below - for those interested in the subject of brast cancer - I
an excerpt from a naturopath article about so called personality Ccancer,
(scientifically proved in 80ties as a correlation with breast
and later also linked to other types of a cancer); that textindicates
similar findings from others:with
Dr. Jean-Jacques Dugoua:
Recently, behavioural oncologists have attempted to conceptualize a
Type C personality type, i.e. a personality type more at risk for
cancer. Based on their findings, the following characteristics
describe a Type C
personality:
- denial and suppression of emotions, in particular anger
- pathological niceness
- avoidance of conflicts
- exaggerated social desirability
- harmonizing behaviour
- over-compliance
- over-patience
- high rationality
- rigid control of emotional expression (anti-emotionality)
According to behavioural oncologists, the façade of pleasantness
a Type C personality will collapse over time due to the impact ofC
accumulated stressors, especially those evoking feelings of
depression and
reactions of helplessness and hopelessness. The coping style of Type
personalities, i.e. excessive denial, avoidance, suppression andclinical
repression
of emotions, appears to weaken natural resistance to carcinogenic
influences.
Recent studies show that psycho-social stressors which are
characterized by inadequate and repressive coping mechanisms are
associated
with changes in immune competency, including both humoral and
cellmediated
immunity. Relationships between different immune parameters
(natural killer
cell activity, lymphocytes, serotonin uptake, mean platelet
volume) and
mood states, psychological coping styles and personality
variables have
been discovered.
In the case of breast cancer research, studies show that the
course of the disease is influenced by psycho-social factors andand
coping
styles. Breast cancer patients have a more favourable outcome
when they
have a higher fighting spirit, a greater potential for aggression
lesser suppressive tendencies.relate
Do not ignore the association between your mind and your physical
symptoms. As we see from research, a symptom that is diagnosed as
only in
your mind, can translate into a disease in your body! This
reminds me of a
cartoon I saw in a newspaper a few years back. A tombstone had the
following engraving: I told you it wasnt only in my head.
With Love
--
Hania Moser, M.Psych., Melbourne
*
Knowledge is learning something every day. Wisdom is learning of
letting go every day. Zen Proverb*
On 22 February 2012 22:01, Chris Walsh <constellationflow@xxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
Hi Michael
Traditional western medicine went down the path of trying to
thespecific psychological characteristics to specific illnesses in
of50s60s
and 70s. This branch of medicine was even given the special name
werepsychosomatics. Some very reputable medicos including university
professsors made very confident assertions almost none of which
relationshipever borne out by evidence. One notable exception was a
anybetween type A personality when combined with certain speech
patterns having a strong correlation with high blood pressure.
What was discovered however was that poor stress management and
high levels of stress both contributed to and exacerbate almost
findingphysicalor
psychiatric condition. I think we can extrapolate from this
state ofthat entanglements that interfere with us receiving our life forceto
from our parents will do the same, as these entaglements decrease
our resistance
stress. I don't know how rigorous the audience would be at a
alternative health conference but I for one would be certainly be
impressed by a presentation that takes into account the current
the evidence.
unknown.
Cheers
Chris Walsh
Melbourne, Australia
ph +61 (0)3 9487 4647
www.cwalsh.com.au
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Michael Reddy
<michael@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
**
Hi Martin, Maria,
Thanks for your posts.
Maria, perhaps I should have explained more. I have to sit at a
table in March at an exposition on "alternative methods for
healing and preventing breast cancer." I'm trying to augment my
experience as much as possible for the purpose of being able to
talk to people at the exposition. It's not for the purpose of
facilitating actual constellations.
I agree with your statement, in effect, that "any symptom can
relate to anything." On the other hand, it's not helpful to say
that in a US context where constellation work is largely
THE
What I would like to be able to say to people is something like
"while it may or may not relate to your own or your loved one's
situation, our community has seen cases where such and such was
involved, or at other times, this or that."
I hope that clarifies the query further.
Best,
Michael
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On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Maria Goossens wrote:
Dear all,
It is very interesting to collect cases with a certain
pathology, tinitus, breastcancer, whatever, ... However, each
human being is unique, each symptom can catch every possible
energy. The same symptom can even catch the energy from
something different with each novel constellation. It is
impossible to link symptoms with a specific entanglement.
Best wishes,
Maria Goossens, MD
goossens.maria@xxxxxxxxxx
Op 21 feb 2012, om 16:52 heeft Michael Reddy het volgende
breastdynamics
Hello All,
Can anyone offer information based on their experiences with
they have seen behind tinnitus (ringing in the ears) or
cancer
(especially when it recurs after treatment)?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Best,
Michael
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