Re: [ConstellationTalk] When Bert finally croaks . .

  • From: Steve Vinay Gunther <chief@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:29:02 +1100

Great to read all the perspectives, and I learn something, as always on this list.

I do have something to say, which is a different perspective.

I agree that there are destructive things which can and often do occur on email lists. I was saying to a friend the other day how I appreciate the constellation list as it rarely seems to happen. I agree that it is important that there is effective moderation in regards to such flaming type of contributions...

and...

I also see the role for the 'fool' in terms of ancient Kingly archetypes. He (was of course a he) could say anything about the King, make any kind of fun, even derogatary, and was excused. The metaframe placed on that person's role was that he could not offend, and was to be laughed at....and who knows, some of his home truths might actually make a difference somewhere. It was a balance in the system.

We have modern day understanding of group dynamics which includes something similar - the 'devils advocate'.... or DeBono's Black Hat Thinking. There will always be someone in this role. It is generally an unpopular role (when people are not laughing), particularly with those with a positive agenda or in power. Systemically, it is required as part of the system for balance.

So this is how I see the offending post. It might be savage in some ways, disrespectful perhaps. But I dont think it was completely off the mark. It raises some shadow things perhaps we dont like to look at or talk about. Personally, I thought it was rough, but also contained some useful barbs and challenges amidst the biting words. I also thought (God forbid) that some bits were funny. But I know that humour is a very very delicate line.

So I would respond differently if I were facilitator. I would invite some discussion as to what it stirs up, the skeletons in the closet. Without that, it remains a somewhat shallow poke. But it can be used to really look at ourselves in a way we might not normally in our positivity and enthusiasm for what we are involved with.

I have been involved with a spiritual group for over 30 years. We had such a person in our midst, who never failed to take a cynical, somewhat humourous, and quite inappropriate line. he offended many, and did not have a good sense of propriety. Eventually (after about 20 years) he was finally pushed right out. I understand the pushing out, and I think we also lost something important. Perhaps it would have been better to appoint him the official 'fool', and employ him for his strange contribution.

Vinay Gunther
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