Thank you Thomas, it is interesting to read your further thoughts and to see
the paradoxes and contradictions in the whole process. Fascinating! I agree
the inner work never stops and it is indeed a lifelong journey.
Barbara Morgan
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Thomas Falke
Sent: 14 June 2005 11:21
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: AW: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
Hi Babara,
thanks for that!
There seems to be some ideas around, that one can just put on the hat of
being now phenomelogical, instead of coming from experience, and then all
will be well.
Hunter Beaumont was quoted as having said:
Hunter said that experience did not mean a good facilitator of
constellations, someone brand new to it may be able to hold the
phenomenological posture better than an old master!!
It feels true to me, that experience ALONE does not make a good facilitator,
and that someone coming from a true phenomenological posture might be
better, BUT it takes a lot of work and experience to get to a place where
one can be in a truly phenomenological stance.
I work, as a participant!, with Hunter and Gila Rogers since 5 years in an
ongoing workshop, sometimes 2 weeks, sometimes 4 weeks a year,
and we are still exploring phenomelogical, ( and will be for more years to
come), how we function in ourselves, and in the world. And each and every
time it is a challenge not to go to some old ideas, patterns, movements, but
to stay with what is.
The more we know how we function, I guess the better we can look unbiased at
what is, what shows in a constellation, and how much the constellation is
influenced or formed by our own field. To be and stay present it is very
helpful to know what -unconsciously- is pulling us away into dreamland.
And that may be a multitude of things..... different layers of hate, of the
super ego, systemic influences... you name it!
The more I do this work, the more I find out how naive I have been in
believing that I could just act or perceive freely,- phenomelogical- free
of unknown influences on myself.
There are plenty of ways to get more and more into the constellation work,
Chris made that wonderful list, and there are plenty of different ways to do
our inner work. Both, for me, are lifelong journeys.
Thomas Falke
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Von: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]Im Auftrag von Barbara Morgan
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juni 2005 10:42
An: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: RE: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
From my own understanding of it, if we are truly phenomenological we can't
write about this stuff at all, as we have to take each situation as it
appears at the time, according to how we feel, how the representatives feel,
how the client feels, what else is in the field - both at the workshop and
wider field. The orders and underlying theories are background thinking
only.
I remember it being referred to as allowing present experience to over-ride
belief. For me that means being prepared to let go of any pre-conceived
ideas about what works. On the other hand, they can be very useful! As we
open ourselves up to phenomenology, it becomes clear how contradictory and
paradoxical constellation work (and life!) is.
Being present is how I would sum it up.
Barbara Morgan
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From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dan Booth Cohen
Sent: 04 June 2005 13:33
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ConstellationTalk] phenomenology
We're always in the interplay between formulaic and phenomenological. The
scene you described is more formulaic. It becomes more phenomenological
when you swap them around and they feel worse. Dan
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From: On Behalf Of Chris Walsh
Imagine we are facilitating a constellation. We notice 2 representatives who
are standing side by side look quite uncomfortable. We then realise that
according to the orders they are on the wrong side of each other. So we swap
them around. They both sigh and visibly relax so we feel happy with the
intervention.
My current question about this is: What part of this - if any, is
phenomenological?
Hasta la vista
Chris Walsh
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