[ddots-l] Re: Acid format not working with Sonar
- From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:41:51 -0400
Forgot to say that groove clip won't really work if you're using
AudioSnap/manual time stretching, so make sure groove clip is the only
processing checked.
Bryan
On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
> You might have the loaded audio clip set to be processed through one of the
> other engines.
>
> Select the clip once you've loaded it, press F4, and select clip properties.
> In that dialog, go to the Time Stretching tab. Make sure that groove clip is
> checked. Other check boxes will appear once groove clip is checked. Try those.
>
> Loops don't follow the project's key signature. They only follow a base pitch
> (like a tonic), and you must add those (C is the default). You drop in pitch
> markers like regular markers, with the F11 key. If you tab through that box,
> you'll notice there is a combo box for setting the pitch that will be
> selected when that marker is reached.
>
> Bryan
> On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:10 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> The only loops and grooves I have noticed come from installation disc
>> four which I think is the one you are referring to.
>>
>> My sonar producer 8.5 came with installation disc 1, sonar, installation
>> 2, beatscape, installation 3, Dimension, and installation disc 4, which
>> is the stuff that gets installed under sample content .
>>
>> Under sample content, the only loops and grooves I have seen are rex2
>> and MIDI, but have not come across any wav acid loops.
>>
>> Beatscape also comes with many loops and grooves but they are all in the
>> rex2 format.
>>
>> I have included as an attachment one of the Prime loops acid loops if
>> you care to try and see if it works on your Sonar setup.
>>
>> When I preview or import rex2 loops, they automatically conform to the
>> projects tempo, but, as I previously stated, when I do the same with the
>> acid loops, they neither conform to the projects tempo or key signature.
>>
>> The wav acid loop sounds not only off key, but the tempo is also off, as
>> if it would be a non acid wave file.
>>
>> I don’t know what to make of this apparent anomaly.
>>
>> Iván
>>
>> ------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Acid format not working with Sonar
>>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:58 pm
>>> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>
>>> They all work. Acid is Acid. No special Sonar format.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are Acid format loops on the Sonar DVD. Do those work for you? I use
>>> them all the time when teaching people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They work any way that you load them: File menu|Audio|Import, the Media
>>> Browser, the Matrix View, as well as working to some degree in synths like
>>> Cyclone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:22 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
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>>>
>>>> Howdy Brian,
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> After your last reply I previewed some acid musical grooves I bought
>>>
>>>> from primeloops.com.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> The acid loops are worst than the rex2 loops when working with Sonar;
>>>
>>>> the wav acid loops neither conform to the timing or key signature of my
>>>
>>>> project.
>>>
>>>>
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>>>> I am sure that the loops are acid because that’s what states in the
>>>
>>>> file name after you unzip the files. In fact the file name is,
>>>
>>>> “PL0106_WAV_ACID_RatioPadz”
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Fortunately, I obtained these same loops as rex2 and at least these
>>>
>>>> loops respect the projects tempo.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you know of a company that sells acid musical loops that do work with
>>>
>>>> sonar?
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I have obtained loops from, Prime loops, Loop Masters, and some from
>>>
>>>> Groove monkey, but most of these are .rex, .mid, and they are all drum
>>>
>>>> grooves.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> My loop masters loop collection come from the limited selection offered
>>>
>>>> in the cakewalk on-line stor, but I have recently noticed that
>>>
>>>> loopmasters.com has a more up-to date and comprehensive list of loops
>>>
>>>> and grooves.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Iván
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>>>> I work more with loops and grooves to create remixes.
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>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Rex2 musical grooves conforming to key
>>>
>>>>> signature?
>>>
>>>>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 7:22 am
>>>
>>>>> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> All Acid format files are WAV, but not all WAV files are Acid.
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Bryan
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:07 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> I have a follow up question Brian, if rex2 is not acid what is? Wav?
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Iván
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Rex2 musical grooves conforming to key
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> signature?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, June 06, 2011 1:34 pm
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>> No. Rex only follows tempo. Acid follows tempo and pitch, but uses
>>>>>>> audio/pitch stretching, so sounds terrible for drums/beats.
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>>>>>>> Bryan
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>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Howdy list,
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> I noticed different sources of information for the rex2 format
>>>>>>>> indicates
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> that rex2 files can conform to the tempo and key signature of music
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> projects.
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>>>>>>>> Although I do see that the rex2 format automatically conforms to the
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> tempo of my projects, I don’t see the files when imported to sonar as
>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> audio, that they conform to the key signature of the project.
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>>>>>>>> In fact, I have tried to change the key signature of the audio tracks
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>>>>>>>> where I import the rex2 files and it all sounds the same.
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>>>>>>>> What do you make of this?
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>>>>>>>> Iván
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