[ddots-l] Re: Acid format not working with Sonar
- From: <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:35:34 -0700
Hi Brian,
In your last email you state “you might have the loaded audio clip set
to be processed through one of the other engines.”
Does this mean that in order to have my acid grooves automatically adapt
to my projects key and tempo, I need to set up sonar to process audio
through a particular engine?
Or are you saying that in order for me to harmonically adapt grooves to
my project I need to always do this manually? (E.g. import clip, go to
clip properties etc.)
Iván
--- Original Message --------
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Acid format not working with Sonar
> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, June 08, 2011 12:41 pm
> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Forgot to say that groove clip won't really work if you're using
> AudioSnap/manual time stretching, so make sure groove clip is the only
> processing checked.
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> Bryan
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> On Jun 8, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
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> > You might have the loaded audio clip set to be processed through one of the
> > other engines.
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> > Select the clip once you've loaded it, press F4, and select clip
> > properties. In that dialog, go to the Time Stretching tab. Make sure that
> > groove clip is checked. Other check boxes will appear once groove clip is
> > checked. Try those.
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> > Loops don't follow the project's key signature. They only follow a base
> > pitch (like a tonic), and you must add those (C is the default). You drop
> > in pitch markers like regular markers, with the F11 key. If you tab through
> > that box, you'll notice there is a combo box for setting the pitch that
> > will be selected when that marker is reached.
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> > Bryan
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> > On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:10 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
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> >> Hi Brian,
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> >>
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> >> The only loops and grooves I have noticed come from installation disc
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> >> four which I think is the one you are referring to.
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> >>
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> >> My sonar producer 8.5 came with installation disc 1, sonar, installation
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> >> 2, beatscape, installation 3, Dimension, and installation disc 4, which
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> >> is the stuff that gets installed under sample content .
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> >> Under sample content, the only loops and grooves I have seen are rex2
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> >> and MIDI, but have not come across any wav acid loops.
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> >> Beatscape also comes with many loops and grooves but they are all in the
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> >> rex2 format.
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> >> I have included as an attachment one of the Prime loops acid loops if
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> >> you care to try and see if it works on your Sonar setup.
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> >> When I preview or import rex2 loops, they automatically conform to the
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> >> projects tempo, but, as I previously stated, when I do the same with the
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> >> acid loops, they neither conform to the projects tempo or key signature.
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> >> The wav acid loop sounds not only off key, but the tempo is also off, as
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> >> if it would be a non acid wave file.
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> >> I don’t know what to make of this apparent anomaly.
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> >>
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> >> Iván
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> >>
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> >> ------- Original Message --------
>
> >>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Acid format not working with Sonar
>
> >>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>> Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 2:58 pm
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> >>> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>> They all work. Acid is Acid. No special Sonar format.
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> >>> There are Acid format loops on the Sonar DVD. Do those work for you? I
> >>> use them all the time when teaching people.
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> >>> They work any way that you load them: File menu|Audio|Import, the Media
> >>> Browser, the Matrix View, as well as working to some degree in synths
> >>> like Cyclone.
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> >>> Bryan
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> >>> On Jun 7, 2011, at 1:22 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >>>> Howdy Brian,
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> >>>> After your last reply I previewed some acid musical grooves I bought
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> >>>> from primeloops.com.
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> >>>> The acid loops are worst than the rex2 loops when working with Sonar;
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> >>>> the wav acid loops neither conform to the timing or key signature of my
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> >>>> project.
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> >>>> I am sure that the loops are acid because that’s what states in the
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> >>>> file name after you unzip the files. In fact the file name is,
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> >>>> “PL0106_WAV_ACID_RatioPadz”
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> >>>> Fortunately, I obtained these same loops as rex2 and at least these
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> >>>> loops respect the projects tempo.
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> >>>> Do you know of a company that sells acid musical loops that do work with
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> >>>> sonar?
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> >>>> I have obtained loops from, Prime loops, Loop Masters, and some from
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> >>>> Groove monkey, but most of these are .rex, .mid, and they are all drum
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> >>>> grooves.
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> >>>> My loop masters loop collection come from the limited selection offered
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> >>>> in the cakewalk on-line stor, but I have recently noticed that
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> >>>> loopmasters.com has a more up-to date and comprehensive list of loops
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> >>>> and grooves.
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> >>>> Iván
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> >>>> I work more with loops and grooves to create remixes.
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> >>>>> -------- Original Message --------
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> >>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Rex2 musical grooves conforming to key
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> >>>>> signature?
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> >>>>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>>>> Date: Tue, June 07, 2011 7:22 am
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> >>>>> To: "ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>>>> All Acid format files are WAV, but not all WAV files are Acid.
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> >>>>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:07 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> >>>>>> I have a follow up question Brian, if rex2 is not acid what is? Wav?
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> >>>>>>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Rex2 musical grooves conforming to key
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> >>>>>>> From: Bryan Smart <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>>>>>> Date: Mon, June 06, 2011 1:34 pm
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> >>>>>>> No. Rex only follows tempo. Acid follows tempo and pitch, but uses
> >>>>>>> audio/pitch stretching, so sounds terrible for drums/beats.
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> >>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, <ivanlopez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> >>>>>>>> I noticed different sources of information for the rex2 format
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> >>>>>>>> tempo of my projects, I don’t see the files when imported to sonar as
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