CakeTalking. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 9:34 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Hip Hop Production, specifically, Sampling Hi bryan: are you using cake talking or jsonar for doing all these wonderful things? -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Smart" <bryansmart@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 6:18 PM To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Hip Hop Production, specifically, Sampling > I actually use Sonar for most of this sample chopping and manipulation > stuff now. If I'm working on a track, and want to use a sample, or > chop it, I open a second Sonar project, load the sample or song on to > an audio track, work on it, and then, when I'm finished, close the > window and use the processed sample in the original project. > > You can do a lot of this processing with Sonar. Audiosnap helps a lot > with editing. I can use Audiosnap, together with the tab key, to find > start and end points for a loop in a matter of seconds now. It used to > take minutes in Sound Forge. Once I have a loop extracted, Audiosnap > can map Sonar's tempo to the tempo of the sample. Once you've matched > the tempo, you can do all sorts of stuff. The most useful, though, is > either selecting the entire loop, or parts of the loop, and exporting > them as acid format samples. Again, you can use transient detection to > quickly find the percussive edges of a segment of a loop to chop. Once > the samples are saved in acid format, Sonar knows their tempo and > pitch, and so, when you use them in your main project, you can just > worry about where to place the chops or loops, not any synchronization > type concerns, as Sonar will be handling all of that automatically. > > Once you save the chops or loops out as acid format files, you can use > them in your other project with little effort. You can directly import > them on to an audio track, or else load them on to a pad in the matrix > view, and, trigger that pad to drop copies of them on to tracks. > Loading files like this, either through import, or via the matrix, > automatically sets them to be groove clips. Groove clips automatically > follow the project's tempo, and will automatically change pitch > according to pitch markers that you drop in to the project. You can > also overide the automatic handling of them, and force them to > different lengths with time stretching, transpose them manually, etc. > > This is very different from how a lot of people that grew up on > samplers and drum machines think of using samples. Those people are > used to trimming up loops, spending a lot of time with time stretching > tools to match loops and other bits up with a song, play those bits in > to a track, etc. Once that sampler performance was recorded, then you > were committed to it. That isn't how any of this works now. Instead, > you're placing pieces of audio at different points in your project, > and letting Sonar manipulate them in real-time, based on your > instructions. If you want a sample to start sooner or later, you can > nudge it. If you decide that you didn't want it to sustain as long, > you can nondestructively roll up the end of it, and then change your > mind and roll it back out, without ever having lost any data. You can > change speed or pitch automatically or manually. You can move bits of > the sample around, and still have it stay in sync. You can place > effects on individual sample clips, not just on the entire track, and > can use automation to manipulate how the individual clip instances > sound. You can paste the sample all around your project, but link all > of those pastes to the first time that you used the sample, so any > editing that you do on that one sample instance, changes the way that the > sample sounds, everywhere else that it's played in your project. > > Bryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of D!J!X! > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:04 AM > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Hip Hop Production, specifically, Sampling > > Do you want to sample to make instruments or just clips to use in the > songs/beats? In either case I use sfz for instrument samples, or load > them into sfz directly, for example kick samples that I don't need to > or feel like programming, because sfz automatically maps them out > across the entire keyboard. So I can then create melodic bass kicks. > If using it as a loop I'll import into sonar after acidizing with sf. > Now you can also use the matrix view to drop a bunch of samples and be > able to run them whenever in your project. For that before sonar8 I use to > use cyclone. > I guess it all depends on what you'd like to do. I use sound forge to > edit the samples sometimes, for example speed up a sample or slow > down, chop and screw or something similar... > > HTH, D!J!X! > > -----Original Message----- > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Justin Kauflin > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:32 PM > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [ddots-l] Hip Hop Production, specifically, Sampling > > Hello everyone, especially those of you who are involved with more hip > hop based production, > As is stated in the subject, I'd like to get involved with sampling. > Is anyone else into doing this sort of thing? if so, what methods do > you have for manipulating samples. More specifically, I'm trying to > find out the best ways to cut things up and for some samples, > transpose them, or just simply mess with them. For reference, I'm > really into the type of stuff that J Dilla does, where the sampling is > more to create new sounds, as opposed to sampling a classic song > without changing it up too much like Kanye West. > > So far, all I've been doing is extracting clips with Sound Forge and > importing the Wav file into Sonar. Once I get it there, I sort of hit > a wall. > > Sorry if this doesn't make too much sense, was just curious. I have > friends that use other platforms like FL Studio which seem to make > this sort of thing much easier to do. I'm sure there are ways to do > this, I was just curious as to where I should focus my attention in > order to get this sort of thing done. > > Thanks a lot for any info, and I apologize if this isn't too clear, > JustinPLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! > To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe > If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > and in the Subject line type > unsubscribe > For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectzq or send a message, to > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq > > > PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! > To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > and in the Subject line type > unsubscribe > For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq > > PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! > To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=subscribe > If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > and in the Subject line type > unsubscribe > For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > immediately following link: > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subjectúq or send a message, to > ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq > > PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! 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