Great post DJX. totally agree with you. As we all know and whether we like it
or not, Sonar 8.5.3 is a largely dead product and supporting it under Windows
10 isn't worth it.
I think moving forward other options on the Windows platform such as Samplitude
Pro X2 and Samplitude Pro X2 Suite are a great option for us. Having said that
don't expect to necessarily be up and running in a jiffy as with any software
there is a bit of a learning curve and the learning curve with Samplitude is
somewhat higher than Sonar. Still Samplitude is a hi end product and to me at
least, the audio engine is by far the best sounding in the business. It sounds
warm and at the same time transparant.
Further more with Samplitude Pro X2 and the even better Samplitude Pro X2 Suite
you can do everything from editing MIDI/audio through to mastering, audio
resteration, right through to createing and burning a redbook standard CD.
You can also export music.xml which will nicely interface with other options.
The stock plug-ins are the best in the business. In fact, if I were advising
clients on this now then I would suggest that they first purchase Samplitude
Pro X2 suite and hold off on purchasing any third party plug-ins as there's no
point doing that.
You can also tune and use the harmoniser on vocals to create extra vocal lines
and quantize audio. A lot of this is already scripted up and Steve Spamer who
is doing the Jaws Scripting really wants to see how far he can push
accessibility in Samplitude.
Samplitude ships with a ton of great softsynthes including Indipendence. If
you purchase Samplitude Pro X2 Suite then you also get Indipendence Pro which
ships with 64GB of data. Was letting a friend here some pop brass and saxes in
that and my friend thought I was running the sounds from hi end keyboard
hardware.
The enitial release of the scripts will be for Windows 7 however there is a
plan moving forward to support Samplitude under Windows 10 and it won't take us
that long to get to that as I will have to move to Windows 10 anyway in order
to stay current. Superior Drummer HSC sets are fully supported in Samplitude
and this will be a free update for existing users. BTW for any of you who are
wondering exactly how far the scripts are from coming out of beta then I think
I can safely say that we are looking at no longer than a week away. My advice
as always would be to first download the scripts, look in the readme and follow
any instructions there then download the demo and run the fully functioning 30
day demo. Samplitude may not be for everyone but if like me you don't mind
digging in and taking the time to really learn software then it could be for
you.
On 12 June 2016 06:01:10 BST, DJX <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, while the person was able to use the scripts after altering windows
10, I think the conclusion was that not all things like HSC and color
based stuff worked or would work properly. Furthermore, my point in
that whole discussion was not so much about the scripts working or not
working, but that windows 10, especially given all the new updates
Microsoft is constantly bringing out for it, would not run properly
with the classic theme from 7, since (according to Microsoft
themselves), the entire classic engine, which is responsible for the
classic theme and made those changes was removed. Even those on online
forums who "discovered the hack" and tried removing the engine to
revert to the classic style (which is what copying an unsupported theme
like windows 7 classic does) reported experiencing random crashes and
new metro apps not working at all and windows 10 being more unstable
due to the new theme engine being disabled. While that might be a
compromise that many are willing to live with and put up with because
they have no other choice, it is by far not a viable or long term
solution for a production environment or a place where time sensitive
and projects with deadlines are done. If you are working on your own
stuff, and you are your own client or just a hobbyist who doesn't mind
dealing with crashes or other inherent issues, this might work well for
you, but we can't say that it's a fix or a working solution, because
that would imply that it's been tested and found to work fine and be a
solid platform for anyone to work from, which might not be the case,
especially in a studio for hire or where third party contracts are
involved.
I adamantly share this point of view, because it is from the side of
those of us who work with products and have to release working products
to clients and make sure that all things are working as expected.
Imagine if I built a DAW for someone and didn't test it to be sure that
all components were working fine to spec, or if I told them that the
computer will start but might experience random reboots for no reason
whatsoever. They'd be upset. Or what if I wrote a program for someone
and the program was full of bugs when I released it? Or imagine if
Steve or Phil didn't take the time out to test all their HSC sets as
thoroughly as they do and build in all the checks they do to insure
that the sets didn't just randomly click places on screen when certain
windows are not open that should be, or when certain windows are open
that should not be. Nobody would buy or use the stuff because it would
be what we call "buggy" or unreliable!
So all that to say, I'm just not comfortable with suggesting something
that might clearly have other side effects as a viable solution to 1
problem, when it might create others. Yes it might work for some
people, or because one person only uses certain features and they work
fine they consider it working, but remember we must take into account
many different configurations, setups, and the fact that many people
use their systems differently. While some people don't mind not having
access to metro apps, others might have to make sure that their system
would still work with those alongside the scripts. Some people have to
share systems and configurations, others don't, and yet others just
can't take the risk of having windows crash and risk data lost or
corruption in the middle of a project that is not even their own. Some
other people rely heavily on HSC and third party sets or CT functions
that require accurate color detection, so this might not work as well
for them. The only reason I make a big deal about it, is because this
is a public list, where the archives are searchable and even show up on
google! So if somebody a year from now is trying to decide on buying a
win 10 machine and they search this list's archives and find messages
where we recommend this method and they go out and spend their hard
earned money on a system built on windows 10, and they set it all up
only to find that it doesn't work reliably or not everything works
100%, they would be pretty disappointed IMO.
So If we are going to say something like this is a solution, You could
say it somewhat works, and list what works and what doesn't, and list
any workarounds that are known, but mainly list the disclaimers of what
will not work or any side effects the hack will have. Basically, you
want to give out all the information so that the user can make the
informed decision on whether they will try to use the system like that
and take the risks and deal with the consequences for themselves. I
just don't think we should say "it work, all is well" and set up the
future reader for those kinds of issues.
Furthermore, let's remember that this is a list to discuss DancingDots
products, and where new users of their products might come to get info
and help, and if they come across info like that, they might completely
ignore the fact that it's not supported by DD, but because they found
it on this list, they would think that's enough, and poor Bill and his
team would get endless support calls and Email complaints about the
whole thing not working or not being accurate. Yes I know, that's the
user's falt for not reading or paying attention to all the stuff as
written, but it's the world we live in lol.
Anyway, don't mean to go on a rant or lecture here, just want to make
sure that all the info is clear ;)
Regards, DJX
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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 3:09 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Need advice on Mac Pro vs Macbook Pro
Hey Kevin,
The discussion about CT working with windows10 occurred a while back
and if you search you should be able to find that thread.
A guy by the name of Autery Weekes even posted an audio demonstration
about it working with windows10. He copied over the classic theme from
windows7 over to windows10 and he said it worked for him.
Note, it is not recommended nor endorsed by DancingDots and some of the
guys like DJX and Steve who know more about this kind of stuff claime
it should not work if you copy over the classic theme, but like I said
they proved otherwise. It may cause other computer problems, but can't
say for sure since I have not done that myself.
If I find that thread, I'll reply to it so that you can read the thread
in its entirety.
On 6/11/16, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:
Sean, can you summarize what is and is not possible?<seanacummins@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Sean A. Cummins
wrote:
Kevin,
To my knowledge, no one nor have I had any success getting full
functionality out of Kik talking Scripps in windows 10. Issue is the
JFW 16.original windows seven classic seems that cannot be fully installed
in windows 10.
Take care,
Sean
Sent from my iPhone
So forgive my brevity!
On Jun 11, 2016, at 4:24 AM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:
Are you sure CT is a definite no go under Win 10, regardless of JFW
version? Cameron Strife uses SONAR 8.5 with JSONAR under Bootcamp
and Win
10 with JFW 17. I know CT doesn't run under anything higher than
16?But if JSONAR can work, why not CT? With Bootcamp, Windows 10 & JFW
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Sean A. Cummins
<seanacummins@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Kevin,
If you are expecting to use the cake talking Scripps with 8.5 on a
andmac pro and windows 10, it will not work…
The rule of the jungle with chords, if you are doing soft synths
native plug-ins, more cores is always better versus speed.
And of course as much ram as you can afford to stuff in the machine
is a great advantage.
Take care,
Sean
Sent from my iPhone
So forgive my brevity!
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:
Guys,
I need advice on whether I can run my studio using a Macbook Pro,
or whether I need a Mac Pro, i gather that it is possible to run
SONAR 8.5 under Bootcamp in Windows 10. Having said that I'm not
interested in the arguments about purpose/built machines.
Tim or Phil,
You guys are using Macbook Pros. Where do you store sample
libraries, or projects? What Audio interface are you using? USB,
orThunderbolt, Firewire? Wha MIDI interface?
When considering a configuration, should I focus on clock speed,
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Thanks for any advice,
Kevin
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