Phil,
Have any of the beta testers working on Samplitude tested any third party soft
synths like Omnisphere, VSL, East West, Kontakt, etc?
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On Jun 12, 2016, at 2:15 AM, Phil Muir <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Great post DJX. totally agree with you. As we all know and whether we like it
or not, Sonar 8.5.3 is a largely dead product and supporting it under Windows
10 isn't worth it.
I think moving forward other options on the Windows platform such as
Samplitude Pro X2 and Samplitude Pro X2 Suite are a great option for us.
Having said that don't expect to necessarily be up and running in a jiffy as
with any software there is a bit of a learning curve and the learning curve
with Samplitude is somewhat higher than Sonar. Still Samplitude is a hi end
product and to me at least, the audio engine is by far the best sounding in
the business. It sounds warm and at the same time transparant.
Further more with Samplitude Pro X2 and the even better Samplitude Pro X2
Suite you can do everything from editing MIDI/audio through to mastering,
audio resteration, right through to createing and burning a redbook standard
CD. You can also export music.xml which will nicely interface with other
options. The stock plug-ins are the best in the business. In fact, if I were
advising clients on this now then I would suggest that they first purchase
Samplitude Pro X2 suite and hold off on purchasing any third party plug-ins
as there's no point doing that.
You can also tune and use the harmoniser on vocals to create extra vocal
lines and quantize audio. A lot of this is already scripted up and Steve
Spamer who is doing the Jaws Scripting really wants to see how far he can
push accessibility in Samplitude.
Samplitude ships with a ton of great softsynthes including Indipendence. If
you purchase Samplitude Pro X2 Suite then you also get Indipendence Pro which
ships with 64GB of data. Was letting a friend here some pop brass and saxes
in that and my friend thought I was running the sounds from hi end keyboard
hardware.
The enitial release of the scripts will be for Windows 7 however there is a
plan moving forward to support Samplitude under Windows 10 and it won't take
us that long to get to that as I will have to move to Windows 10 anyway in
order to stay current. Superior Drummer HSC sets are fully supported in
Samplitude and this will be a free update for existing users. BTW for any of
you who are wondering exactly how far the scripts are from coming out of beta
then I think I can safely say that we are looking at no longer than a week
away. My advice as always would be to first download the scripts, look in the
readme and follow any instructions there then download the demo and run the
fully functioning 30 day demo. Samplitude may not be for everyone but if like
me you don't mind digging in and taking the time to really learn software
then it could be for you.
On 12 June 2016 06:01:10 BST, DJX <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, while the person was able to use the scripts after altering windows 10,
I think the conclusion was that not all things like HSC and color based
stuff worked or would work properly. Furthermore, my point in that whole
discussion was not so much about the scripts working or not working, but
that windows 10, especially given all the new updates Microsoft is
constantly bringing out for it, would not run properly with the classic
theme from 7, since (according to Microsoft themselves), the entire classic
engine, which is responsible for the classic theme and made those changes
was removed. Even those on online forums who "discovered the hack" and tried
removing the engine to revert to the classic style (which is what copying an
unsupported theme like windows 7 classic does) reported experiencing random
crashes and new metro apps not working at all and windows 10 being more
unstable due to the new theme engine being disabled. While that might be a
compromise that
many are willing to live with and put up with because they have no other
choice, it is by far not a viable or long term solution for a production
environment or a place where time sensitive and projects with deadlines are
done. If you are working on your own stuff, and you are your own client or
just a hobbyist who doesn't mind dealing with crashes or other inherent
issues, this might work well for you, but we can't say that it's a fix or a
working solution, because that would imply that it's been tested and found
to work fine and be a solid platform for anyone to work from, which might
not be the case, especially in a studio for hire or where third party
contracts are involved.
I adamantly share this point of view, because it is from the side of those
of us who work with products and have to release working products to clients
and make sure that all things are working as expected. Imagine if I built a
DAW for someone and didn't test it to be sure that all components were
working fine to spec, or if I told them that the computer will start but
might experience random reboots for no reason whatsoever. They'd be upset.
Or what if I wrote a program for someone and the program was full of bugs
when I released it? Or imagine if Steve or Phil didn't take the time out to
test all their HSC sets as thoroughly as they do and build in all the checks
they do to insure that the sets didn't just randomly click places on screen
when certain windows are not open that should be, or when certain windows
are open that should not be. Nobody would buy or use the stuff because it
would be what we call "buggy" or unreliable!
So all that to say, I'm just not comfortable with suggesting something that
might clearly have other side effects as a viable solution to 1 problem,
when it might create others. Yes it might work for some people, or because
one person only uses certain features and they work fine they consider it
working, but remember we must take into
account many different configurations, setups, and the fact that many people
use their systems differently. While some people don't mind not having
access to metro apps, others might have to make sure that their system would
still work with those alongside the scripts. Some people have to share
systems and configurations, others don't, and yet others just can't take the
risk of having windows crash and risk data lost or corruption in the middle
of a project that is not even their own. Some other people rely heavily on
HSC and third party sets or CT functions that require accurate color
detection, so this might not work as well for them. The only reason I make a
big deal about it, is because this is a public list, where the archives are
searchable and even show up on google! So if somebody a year from now is
trying to decide on buying a win 10 machine and they search this list's
archives and find messages where we recommend this method and they go out
and spend their hard earned
money on a system built on windows 10, and they set it all up only to find
that it doesn't work reliably or not everything works 100%, they would be
pretty disappointed IMO.
So If we are going to say something like this is a solution, You could say
it somewhat works, and list what works and what doesn't, and list any
workarounds that are known, but mainly list the disclaimers of what will not
work or any side effects the hack will have. Basically, you want to give out
all the information so that the user can make the informed decision on
whether they will try to use the system like that and take the risks and
deal with the consequences for themselves. I just don't think we should say
"it work, all is well" and set up the future reader for those kinds of
issues.
Furthermore, let's remember that this is a list to discuss DancingDots
products, and where new users of their products might come to get info and
help, and if they come across info like that, they might
completely ignore the fact that it's not supported by DD, but because they
found it on this list, they would think that's enough, and poor Bill and his
team would get endless support calls and Email complaints about the whole
thing not working or not being accurate. Yes I know, that's the user's falt
for not reading or paying attention to all the stuff as written, but it's
the world we live in lol.
Anyway, don't mean to go on a rant or lecture here, just want to make sure
that all the info is clear ;)
Regards, DJX
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Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Need advice on Mac Pro vs Macbook Pro
Hey Kevin,
The discussion about CT working with windows10 occurred a while back and if
you search you should be able to find that thread.
A guy by the
name of Autery Weekes even posted an audio demonstration about it working
with windows10. He copied over the classic theme from
windows7 over to windows10 and he said it worked for him.
Note, it is not recommended nor endorsed by DancingDots and some of the guys
like DJX and Steve who know more about this kind of stuff claime it should
not work if you copy over the classic theme, but like I said they proved
otherwise. It may cause other computer problems, but can't say for sure
since I have not done that myself.
If I find that thread, I'll reply to it so that you can read the thread in
its entirety.
On 6/11/16, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:
Sean, can you summarize what is and is not possible?
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 7:35 AM, Sean A. Cummins <seanacummins@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Kevin,
To my knowledge, no one nor have I had any success getting full
functionality out of Kik talking Scripps in windows 10. Issue is the
original windows seven classic seems that cannot be fully installed
in windows 10.
Take care,
Sean
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So forgive my brevity!
On Jun 11, 2016, at 4:24 AM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:
Are you sure CT is a definite no go under Win 10, regardless of JFW
version? Cameron Strife uses SONAR 8.5 with JSONAR under Bootcamp
and Win
10 with JFW 17. I know CT doesn't run under anything higher than JFW 16.
But if JSONAR can work, why not CT? With Bootcamp, Windows 10 & JFW 16?
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:28 AM, Sean A. CumminsPLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
<seanacummins@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Kevin,
If you are expecting to use the cake talking Scripps with 8.5 on a
mac pro and windows 10, it will not work…
The rule of the jungle with chords, if you are doing soft synths and
native plug-ins, more cores is always better versus speed.
And of course as much ram as you can afford to stuff in the machine
is a great advantage.
Take care,
Sean
Sent from my iPhone
So forgive my brevity!
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Kevin Gibbs <kevjazz@xxxxxx> wrote:PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE!
Guys,
I need advice on whether I can run my studio using a Macbook Pro,
or whether I need a Mac Pro, i gather that it is possible to run
SONAR 8.5 under Bootcamp in Windows 10. Having said that I'm not
interested in the arguments about purpose/built machines.
Tim or Phil,
You guys are using Macbook Pros. Where do you store sample
libraries, or projects? What Audio interface are you using? USB,
Thunderbolt, Firewire? Wha MIDI interface?
When considering a configuration, should I focus on clock speed, or
number of cores?
Thanks for any advice,
Kevin
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