[ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and JAWS Problems

  • From: Rich Caloggero <richcaloggero@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:50:00 -0500

IMO, most likely yes, spyware or some such nastiness!

-- R


On 1/10/2020 12:39 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


I found Virtual Audio Cable, but the moment I tried to install it, there was something called "Web Discover" that wanted to be installed on my machine. Is that some kind of "spyware"? Better yet, I want to find a loopback software that is screenreader friendly.

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*From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
*Sent:* Sunday, January 05, 2020 10:42 PM
*To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and JAWS Problems

OK, please invest in software like virtual audio cable, which may do a better job at what you want.

Or use a program like total recorder, which lets you record from the Windows mixer directly.

Using an onboard sound card for this will lead to many problems, including hum, EMI interference, bad/noisy audio, pops and crackles (if not configured correctly) etc.

Using one of these alternatives is a far better deal for what you are trying to accomplish.

HTH, DJX

*From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle Susan Morison
*Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2020 8:29 AM
*To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and JAWS Problems

I'm recording something off of Mozilla Firefox, which I can't exactly assign to the MOTU unless the MOTU is the default soundcard in Windows. I'm not sure if there's a way to make application specific assignments to sound devices within the Control Panel. And if there is, I'm not sure why Microsoft hasn't shown that yet, just the "Default Soundcard" assignment.

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*From:*ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Chris Smart
*Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2020 11:30 PM
*To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and JAWS Problems

Just curious, why are you recording through the built-in Realtech, and not your MOTU interface?

At 11:46 PM 1/4/2020, you wrote:

    The main reason why I have JAWS running through my MOTU is because
    I don't want to have the voice come through when I'm recording
    from my built-in soundcard.

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    *From:*ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2020 7:41 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    You really should have JAWS running through your built-in sound
    card, not through the audio interface. Most JAWS synths run at a
    low sample rate of 22KHZ or 32KHZ if you�re lucky, and the drivers
    sometimes get locked up trying to work things about on multiple
    sample rates with different streams. Some drivers are good at
    upscaling and dealing with it that way, others not so much.



    HTH, DJX





    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2020 10:37 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    What about the problem of JAWS suddenly dropping out and freezing
    during recording or playback? How do I fix that? I have JAWS
    running through the headphones in my MOTU.

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 04, 2020 7:28 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    DPC stands for deferred procedure calls, it is how Windows handles
    interrupts and calls to the kernel and driver subsystem. Since
    Windows is not a real time OS, it has to schedule these calls to
    handle access to resources. Having a high latency between calls
    for the audio driver will result in dropped packets or extra
    buffering by the drivers into memory, resulting in pops and
    crackles and eventually drop outs.

    It�s more complex than that, but I�m just giving you the simple
    basic definition.



    You may have a tool called DPC latency checker on your DAW, or you
    can google/download it. It will allow you to check your system�s
    current DPC latency. FYI, this tool is not accessible with JAWS,
    you�ll have to use the JAWS cursor to read its output, or have a
    sighted person do it for you.



    HTH, DJX





    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2020 6:55 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    What is DPC latency and how do I check it?

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2020 11:36 AM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    OK. You may be experiencing hardware issues, or your NVRAM was
    reset and your firmware settings lost, thus you machine could be
    experiencing high DPC latency. Can you check your current DPC latency?



    Regards, DJX





    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2020 1:33 AM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    Yes, via a factory image that was custom built for me when I
    purchased the machine.

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Thursday, January 02, 2020 9:57 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    No offense, but did you do it properly? As in did you set
    everything up for daw use?



    Regards, DJX



    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2020 12:38 AM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    JAWS 15. I've already reinstalled Windows.

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Thursday, January 02, 2020 9:31 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    What�s the JAWS version?

    You probably need Windows reinstalled



    Regards, DJX





    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2020 12:28 AM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    It started happening in 2015, the moment I started updating
    Windows! Until that day, I was able to record flawlessly with any
    devices I have. Which is why I'm now going to run Windows without
    updates, since updating just messes everything up and breaks
    compatibility with JAWS.

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Thursday, January 02, 2020 9:21 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    Have you always been able to record like this? Did this start
    happening recently? Or has it been doing this for a while?



    Regards, DJX



    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Friday, January 3, 2020 12:17 AM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems



    If by DAW you mean my computer, I've had it since September 2,
    2011. The graphics card I have is the AMD ATI Radeon HD5400
    series, though I'm not sure of the exact model. I also have the
    Intel HD Graphics 3000. One of those two is my graphics card, and
    the other is my video card, which I think also has audio features.
    I also have the Realtek High Definition Audio soundcard built in
    to the machine.

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    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *DJ X
    *Sent:* Thursday, January 02, 2020 7:17 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Re: Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and
    JAWS Problems

    How old is your daw? What is your video/graphics  card?





    HTH, DJX



    *From:* ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    <ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> *On Behalf Of *Annabelle
    Susan Morison
    *Sent:* Wednesday, January 1, 2020 1:09 PM
    *To:* ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Subject:* [ddots-l] Sonar 8.5 Producer: Audio Dropouts and JAWS
    Problems



    Hi, it's Annabelle.

    When I'm either recording or playing audio within Sonar, JAWS
    sometimes seems to fall asleep. Could it be that focus is lost?
    Why is the Focus Loss Announcement turned off by default? How do I
    prevent this from happening? Also, what can I do to prevent
    dropouts and stuttering, clicks and pops when recording from my
    computer's internal soundcard into the MOTU 896HD?

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