[duxuser] Re: Grievous but funny errors made by Grade II Braille translators
- From: George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 14:55:18 +0000
Yes indeed, and my apologies if I sounded in any way critical of the braille
goofs. That was the last thing on my mind.
Indeed, if I ever had the ability to write a history of braille software
development, I’d sure use those examples, so thanks all for them.
My main drive was not just to emphasise that everyone at Duxbury wants to
assist in producing good quality braille in DBT itself, but that there can be
outside factors which it has no control over. Sad to say, I do hear criticism
in many of these cases, and that DBT is simply blamed. Sadly we often only hear
about it by chance.
A classic yet simple case I stumbled on recently was where, “Duxbury can’t
handle text produced by XYZ scanning software because it breaks all the lines
up.”
A simple setting in the scanning software stopped it placing hard returns at
the end of each and every line.
Another simple case was where appeared what looked like a two column table
which “Duxbury adds spaces to”. In fact, it wasn’t a table at all, but a list
where there were vary numbers of tabs between the text in column one and two to
force the second column to line up.
Both easy to sort out, but only chance that we found out about those problems.
George.
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Sent: 28 May 2014 14:48
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Subject: [duxuser] Re: Grievous but funny errors made by Grade II Braille
translators
Hello - I had a good giggle at the examples you & someone else gave re the
errors...
Then I saw the responses from the technical team who normally assists us and
thought to myself whaaaat???
I don't think that you were criticising at all nor pointing out flaws. It was
merely a comment on how we used to make simple errors not because of the
software but because we are human.
It was meant as a light-hearted comment but people took it as a rap on the
knuckles - like seriously..??!!
Lillian Fortuin
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Sent: 2014/05/28 03:36:05 PM
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Subject: RE: [duxuser] Re: Grievous but funny errors made by Grade II Braille
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Hi. I agree Duxbury is great, else I wouldn't be on this list, and I
wouldn't use Duxbury. My point in discussing these translation flaws was
not to advertise or criticize the product, but to collect some really funny
errors that could occur with a bad translator. However, if you don't find
these funny, then, get a life!
Doug Martin
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We have all seen these sort of examples. It is one of the strengths of DBT
that I now find very few of these anymore and usually with obscure
expressions.
I have found that when discrepancies are reported, you will find these
corrected in the next update, which is a very good reason for keeping your
DBT up to date.
Given the complexities of some of the rules of translation DBT does an
amazing job.
On 28/05/2014, at 6:41 PM, "Sheila Armstrong"
wrote:
Yes, dis-was-her 40h}] dishwasher! Cheers. Sheila(from Torch)
On 27/05/2014 22:35, Doug Martin wrote:
Hi. This might not be appropriate for this list but ....
Some early notetakers used their own Grade II Braille
translators. In fact,
as an exercise in learning a parsing computer language
called lex, I wrote a
crude version. These translators often made mistakes, such
as using the
dot-5-o contraction for "one" in the word pioneer.
Some of us were talking about the worst, and funniest
mistakes a parsing
translator could make. The second best we came up with was
the use of
dot-5-n "name" in the word Vietnamese. However, by far the
best one was the
use of dot-5-m "mother" in the word chemotherapy
che-mother-apy!
Does anyone have similar examples?
Doug Martin
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