I have been copied this Blurb from the Duxuser list; I do not understand why someone who obviously does not own a Version 3 Everest (the model on the market since 2002) or version 2 Everest (on the market since 1997 or earlier) can make such false and misleading statements about the Everest. Could it be we emboss from any Windows application, we emboss graphics and edit graphics easily, our Braille is real Braille and meets all international Braille standards. In response to your closing statement; when it comes to our products, sometimes you get more than you pay for, just look at the Everest and Basic and you will see why the Index Embossers are the Embosser of choice in so many schools for Blind people. Alan; to sit back and take a cheap shot at someone else's product without stating your name or who you work for etc shame on you. The topic is Graphics, not Everest. By the way math is still done in Nemeth code and for Nemeth code Duxbury with Scientific Notebook is still the translation application of choice for Blind Braille users, with which the Index Everest and Index Basic Embossers do the drawings and Braille extremely well. To claim that it is only a series of straight lines for a circle is false. David Pillischer Sighted Electronics Inc -----Original Message----- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Blackburn, Alan Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:16 AM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: Quick Tak and TGD Pro On the other hand, the "Tiger embosser" embosses 4 levels of dots rather than the one level of the Everest, giving a lot more variation and scope in the tactile, I also have a little reservation with the "pixilation" (resolution) factor with the Everest output in graphics mode (I don't agree that the resolution is "very high quality"), a circle tends to come out as a series of straight lines that form a circle. It depends on the complexity of the tactile, but if they're high school maths or anatomy diagrams you really need the cleanest, leanest tactile possible. As usual "you gets what you pays for" <smile> Alan