[duxuser] Re: reply
- From: Tom Whalen <ptkt3860@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:17:30 -0800 (PST)
Hi John or anyone else that would care to comment. We have a tactile image
enhancer (junior), which is broken. Before we purchase another, is it possible
to emboss tactile drawings on an enabling technologies ET Brailler using the
TDG Pro software. Any information will be appreciated.
Tom Whalen
Mesa State College
Grand Junction, CO
970-248-1307
John Panarese <tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As far as opinions go, you are absolutely correct. Everyone has an
opinion and that's the way it should be. I don't necessarily find the reply
from David an "attack" as it was a response to one on a product, regardless
of it being opinion based, but that, not surprisingly, is strictly...my
opinion.
I do want to state my opinion on tactile graphics as it does relate to
the two below messages. It might be straying off topic to the Duxbury list,
but its, indirectly related just the same.
Tactile representations of diagrams, pictures, equations or anything
else are probably the most underrated aspect of blindness in an education
environment. I certainly wasn't exposed to this as much as I wish when I was
in high school and grade school, and I don't think, as with just about all
the other blindness technologies, blind students fully appreciate this fact.
It literally opens a new world to one who cannot see and gives one a
perspective that cannot be stressed enough. What Duxbury, Repro-Tronics,
and any embosser maker has done towards this end simply cannot be thanked
enough by the blind.
With that said, I will say this in terms of my experiences with
embossed images. I am speaking about embossed representations on Braille
paper and not any done on the thermo form paper. Sometimes, more can be too
much. What I mean is this. It is like a sighted person trying to look at a
picture or TV show in which too much color or glare is present or any person
at a concert in which the music is so loud, the singer cannot be clearly
heard over the instruments. The concept of four levels of dots and more
dots per inch is fine and well, but I have been able to compare such complex
images done on various embossers. Frankly, I have found myself more
confused, bewildered and concerned than impressed by the Tiger products.
There are two basic elements I am speaking of here. First, as I said,
more can be too much. Simply, all the dots and levels did little more than
make me feel like I was trying to listen to someone speaking to me from
across the table at a trade show in which you have hundreds of people
present in the room and dozens of speech products and presentations going on
around me at once. I just couldn't get a grasp of what I was feeling, even
when it was pointed out to me what it was supposed to be.
Secondly, the effects on the paper itself was easily noted. I would
seriously question both the dot degradation and paper integrity with so much
puncturing occurring. Couple this with a school environment with a kid who,
let's say, might not treat the images all that carefully, and I could find
myself predicting the paper literally falling apart in a matter of time
Again, I am speaking from my own personal experiences and, of course,
from my own opinions. Some may debate me, and that is fine. I just will
take my 17 dots per inch and graphics done on an Index embosser or Enabling
embosser if it was me having to either recommend or advocate for a blind
student. I mean absolutely no offense to the manufacturer of Tiger products
nor to those who stand behind them. I'm also not looking for any reactions
that will cause this list to go any more off topic, as I apologize to any
who might feel my post has already done this.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Managing Director
Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
9 Nolan Court
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Tel/Fax, (631) 724-4479
Email, tvii@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Internet, http://www.tvi-web.com
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DUXBURY, DANCING DOTS, ROBOTRON, AND OTHER PRODUCTS FOR THE BLIND AND
VISUALLY IMPAIRED
-----Original Message-----
From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Robert Clark
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:22 AM
To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [duxuser] Re: reply
Opinions, its just opinions. Take a shot at the opinions, not at those
who state them.
"Alan; to sit back and take a cheap shot at someone else's product
without stating your name..."
Hmmm, what happened there? That message was signed. You called him by
name and in the same breath chastised him for not stating his name? LOL
Voicing opinions is legal. Attacking opinions is also legal.
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