Saving the settings via the export feature sounds more efficient. I'll also work on having a drive with portable settings in case anyone lets me near their Mac when I'm away from mine. On Mar 7, 2012, at 7:44 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > It's actually easiest to go to the vile menu of vo utility and export the > preferences. then, when you want to restore to what you like, you can import > them by finding and opening the file or doing it through the vo menus. You > can save several preffs files this way. > > On Mar 6, 2012, at 10:43 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: > > No, now all is well. resetting to defaults for both VO and safari has > returned me to the place I knew before. I have also starting playing around > with the activities options of VO so as to save the latest best working > environment. At least, I think this is the feature I can use to do this. > On Mar 6, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> So now that you reset your vo settings? can you now access the show hide >> clickable items that you were having trouble accessing? or are they still >> not accessible to your voice over? If that's the case it looks like it's >> time for either permissions repair or a reinstall of the os, but I really >> hope that's not the case as both are annoying. >> On Mar 6, 2012, at 4:15 PM, George B <gbmagoo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> Lol I think the subject line could be changed by now, please. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 15:29 >>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>> >>>> So now I've got VO reset to the initial defaults. I'm going to look >>>> around the VO utility and check out how things are set. >>>> On Mar 6, 2012, at 6:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>> >>>>> you can reset vo by opening the vo utility with vo-f8 and activating >>>> the reset all voiceover preferences menu item under the file menu. >>>>> >>>>> Slow down, read carefully, talk to apple, don't get frustrated. >>>> Thousands of us are able to use vo just fine and you will be too as >>>> soon as you *grasp* it. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, so I have all the commanders turned off (including the touch-pad >>>> commander). Same non-results. >>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have also tried with the keyboard commander and num-pad commanders >>>> off with the same non-results. So it is the same with or without quick- >>>> nav, keyboard or num-pad commanders. Is there a way of repairing or >>>> reinstalling safari? VoiceOver? Is there a way of resetting either of >>>> these to their default settings? Maybe I've mis-configured one or the >>>> other into garbage. >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:20 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder if somehow you are triggering quick nav? press the left >>>> and right arrow keys together to toggle quick nav. make sure it is >>>> turned off before you vo click show. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:17 PM, "Julio C. Perez" >>>> <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, this isn't working on my system at this time. I have had this >>>> work in the not too distant past but it isn't working now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is safari the only browser that works under the Mac OS with >>>> voiceover? >>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 8:02 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> vo right arrow after clicking show. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Weird and frustrating! In detail. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. I select the link "voiceover basics". This takes me to a >>>> content list with seven items. I can either navigate to one of those >>>> links (lets say the "selecting a sigle item" link) or open the contents >>>> list by interacting with it and then arrowing down to the link. In >>>> either case, the result is the same. A list of "show" clickable items >>>> appears which when clicked on does not display text information but >>>> only changes the "show" option to a "hide" option. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The VO-shift-up arrow WILL stop interacting with the current item >>>> every time. I've also used the quick nab left-down arrow and the num- >>>> pad #7. The problem is not with the interaction. The problem is that >>>> the explanatory text never appears. or maybe it does but I don't know >>>> where. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm going to check with the Apple Accessibility folks and see what >>>> they can add to the mix. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks to you and all for all of your help so far. >>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:35 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> looking at this again, something weird is going on here because >>>> are describing something you are interacting with and vo-shift-up arrow >>>> should stop interacting. vo right and left arrow move through the >>>> text. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This exploration is yielding lots of new knowledge. I've now know >>>> about the quick nab feature and how to use the various combination of >>>> arrow keys to control safari operations. Unfortunately, my basic >>>> original problem remains. Oh well. back to the front! >>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:38 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sorry, this is the stop interacting key and it sounded like you >>>> were interacting with something. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2012, at 10:24 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I press "cvo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up >>>> arrow"? cause if I do this it has the effect of moving the VO cursor >>>> up. >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> press cvo-shift-up arrow and then try vo-right. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top >>>> or bottom of the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other >>>> topics or groups. Not explanatory text. >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right >>>> with the VO and right arrow keys. See if that reveals anything for >>>> you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" >>>> <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not >>>> get it when David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper >>>> window within the application by using the command-f2 twice. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain >>>> how to select and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a >>>> list of clickable objects that say "show" group with two items. When I >>>> interact with the group, I find two clickable items within (as >>>> expected). When I click on the "show" clickable, I expect to get to >>>> some text or html window that explains how to do this. The only thing I >>>> seem to find is that there now appears a "hide" clickable. Where do I >>>> go to find the instructions for selecting or deselecting one or more >>>> items? The window chooser command only gives me the "help" and >>>> "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to do with the >>>> navigational mode or something? >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the >>>> escape key, will cycle you through open windows in an application. >>>> Command-tab cycles you through your open applications. For the help, >>>> try the command-accent or David's suggestion of using the window >>>> chooser menu with VO-F2 twice and then using the up and down arrows to >>>> see a list of your currently open windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of >>>> Tracy Duffy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will >>>> move you from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in >>>> Snowleopard. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember >>>> that command >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to >>>> the other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO >>>> utilities window. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I >>>> only see one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of >>>> those other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me >>>> back to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows >>>> within an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application window? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try command-tab twice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one >>>> to another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> windows within a application. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even >>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be >>>> (and needs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window >>>> where I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to >>>> write >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return >>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not >>>> the help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this >>>> simple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back >>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> layer after linked layer? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about >>>> before. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need >>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would >>>> speed up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process having an example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. 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