On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 00:57 +0100, Ronald Hongsermeier wrote: > While agreeing with you in the main, I think there may be a gray area > where a thin layer of stuff that's not so stiff may have the effect of > counteracting a negative rough surface effect, though I have neither > numbers nor specific theory for this idea /*i.e., the stiffness of the > surface of the tire may transmit energy into vertical motion which takes > away from forward speed.*/ There are two factors here. One is loss of energy through flexing of the tyre, pumping the air inside it, rubbing of cords and so on. The other is loss of energy through the CoG of the bike rising and falling over road bumps. A tyre body dissipates energy when flexed, whether by deforming around a bump or rolling on a smooth surface (because the different parts of the body flex and unflex in turn, as the tyre rolls). The stiffer the tyre body, the more energy it absorbs when it flexes, and converts into heat. This flexing is reduced by inflating the tyre hard (but the knobs on knobbies still flex). Because the volume of a tyre rolling on a smooth surface is essentially constant, the air inside it is not compressed and decompressed as it rolls. Even when the air is pressurized by a bump, the air in the tyre absorbs less energy than the body of the tyre when the tyre flexes, and returns more of it when the tyre returns to its previous shape (no internal friction, and modest pressure change and heat losses). The overall effect is that a tyre with a compliant body which is rendered stiff by the pressure of air inside it wastes less energy than either the same tyre run at low pressure, or a tyre with the same deformation, but a stiffer construction. On a perfectly smooth road, you save energy by buying tyres with soft sidewalls and no knobs (like Comp Pools) and pumping them up as hard as they will stand. The softness of the rubber in the tread seems to be less important for this purpose than how thick it is and how stiff the sidewalls are. No matter why it is stiff, however, when a tyre rides up over a bump in the road (a stone, say) the bike dissipates energy, by converting kinetic energy into potential energy, most of which is wasted as heat when you come down on the other side of the bump. If the tyre deforms around the bump, the CoG of the bike is lifted less, and less energy is wasted by this bouncing. On rough roads, the energy lost by bouncing at high tyre pressure is often more than is lost by tyre deformation at lower pressure. So for rough roads, it may be worth while reducing tyre pressure to a point at which the tyre will usefully cushion the bumps, although that means the tyre will absorb more energy between bumps. This is a compromise, which depends on how rough the road is. For instance, I generally run Schwalbe Marathon Slicks on smooth sealed roads at 100psi (7 bar), but after a friend did some roll-down tests and pointed out this issue to me, I find that on some rough sealed roads, the same tyres run better at 85psi (6 bar). On gravel, even lower pressures might be better. -- George Durbridge +61 3 9481 3500 +61 409 413 945 ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist //www.freelists.org/list/python Listmaster: Jürgen Mages jmages@xxxxxx To unsubscribe send an empty mail to python-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field. ============================================================