Lol. I made a very similar comment on NVDA and the orca mailing list s. I
will agree it is a bit harder with the multiline text areas not being a "true
memory grid" like the older DOS screen readers enjoyed but they should be happy
not to have to use interrupt handlers to capture text display. But I agree,
the terminal behaviors have atrophied much and I think it is the GUI mentality
over the decades. The idea of navigating quickly in a grid, hot areas and even
basic "find that magic word" just doesn't occur to the younger crowd. Some of
them are just discovering a "TUI" again and explaining how highlighting bars
can be a great indicator visually but without screen reader support... it's a
real SOB.
Dan
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Yeah, the dungeon crawl games like angband rogue and nethack were a whole lot
easier to play in dos, where rows and columns always lined up, then pressing
up/down in review mode always took you to the character under/above where you
were, and that made it considerably easier to tell what was immediately around
you. I've often wondered why windows/linux screen readers don't adhere to this
design philosophy, but the only time I asked a screen developer about it, I was
told it was the way windows/linux works, and there's nothing the screen reader
can do about it, which of course is complete BS, considering the screen reader
knows exactly what character they are on, and it would be a trivial thing to
move to the same spot on the next line, but to each their own I guess.
My guess is that most folks don't think they need that level of granularity, so
the screen reader doesn't provide it, but I'd also wager if it existed, a lot
more folks would realize what they were missing, and use the feature a whole
lot, especially in programming circles with languages such as python where
indentation is required.
<shrug>
On 1/1/2021 1:32 AM, Mewtamer wrote:
While on the subject of MUDs, are there any that work well with just===========================================================
speech and don't have an excessive amount of white space that makes
keeping horizontal spacing of objects hard to follow?
Not sure if any of them were actually MUDs, but I've tried a few
terminal dungeon crawlers that use a grid of ascii characters to
represent the part of the dungeon map visible to the player, but I
found that with most of most maps being open space represented by
whitespace characters and the tedium of using screen review to try to
figure out the spacing between objects on the same row sucked the fun
out of the experience.
And while I suspect a Braille display could help with parsing
board/map spacing in games that use grids of Ascii characters, I don't
own one, don't have the money for one, and my Braille reading speed is
such a Braille display would be practically useless for reading normal
text.
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