Re: [Va-bird] ID Anyone?--female wren often larger than male

From: MARLENECONDON@xxxxxxx
To: nickenew1@xxxxxxxxx, va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:12:11 -0500

Hi Nick,

When I commented on the difference in size, I was referring to overall body
shape (plumpness?), not the length of the wings.

I've been observing Carolina Wrens since my college days (more than 35
years ago!!!!) and the males and females are usually, if not always,  different
in overall body size.  I'm able to identify which sex is which by  the
sounds each makes and their behavioral differences.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

Sincerely,
Marlene

In a message dated 11/25/2015 3:03:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nickenew1@xxxxxxxxx writes:

Marlene,  Fred, et al.,

It appears to me as though the apparent difference in  size may be due to
different positioning by the two birds. The rump of the  further back (right)
bird looks higher up than the left bird which I think  helps throw off the
perception of size of the two. In terms of sexual  dimorphism (male larger
than female, or vice versa) is not strongly present in  Carolina Wrens. If
you were to have a bird in hand you might be able to tell  the sexes apart
from the length of their wing (slightly longer in males by at  most a few
millimeters) or tail. That said, there is a decently high  likelihood that
these
two wrens represent a breeding pair since Carolina Wrens  tend to mate for
life and often stay together throughout the entire non  breeding season
meaning one bird may be slightly larger than the  other.

Happy Thanksgiving!
Nick Newberry
Oakton/Williamsburg,  Va

On Nov 25, 2015, at 11:12 AM, MARLENECONDON--- via va-bird

<va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Fred,

The female is often larger than the male. The 2 sexes make different
sounds so you can tell them apart if they are saying something. The

female

does not really sing--at least not in the sense of it sounding musical,

the male's songs;  instead she twitters, chirps, and "grouses" (when  she
doesn't  like something).

Sincerely,
Marlene

In a message dated 11/25/2015 11:04:55 A.M. Eastern Standard  Time,
va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

I  was  skeptical of peoples' ID of carolina wren at first. The tail

looked

right, but  never have I noticed white spots on the rump and  back of
Carolina Wren. So I  Googled it and found this  page.
http://www.sibleyguides.com/2011/03/carolina-wren-mystery-spots/
How  many  thousands of carolina wrens have I seen and not noticed?

Pretty

cool.Thanks for sharing
I am still perplexed by the apparent difference in size of the two

birds.

All the bestFred Atwood Frederick D. Atwood Flint Hill School, 10409
Academic Dr, Oakton, VA 22124 703-242-1675

http://www.agpix.com/fredatwood ;

http://www.flinthill.org ;

http://tea.armadaproject.org/tea_atwoodfrontpage.html ;

https://www.flickr.com/photos/75425046@N06/sets/
From:  Tony  Futcher <tonyfutcher1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:  va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:30  AM
Subject: Re: [Va-bird] ID  Anyone?

Agree 100%  with Carolina Wrens.

Tony  Futcher
Hyattsville,  MD

On 11/24/2015 11:54 AM, Phillip Kenny via  va-bird  wrote:

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background-color:white !important;  }  Fledgling Carolina Wren  is my

guess

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Tuesday, November 24, 2015, 11:31 AM, Larry Kline via va-bird

<va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

(http://www.trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2015/11/full-22098-303096-img_0273.jpg)

(http://www.trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2015/11/full-22098-303097-img_0272.jpg)

In a message dated 11/24/2015 11:23:57  A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
nanjyoung@xxxxxxxx writes:

You are right.  Sorry  about my senior  moment.

I think  we need more than that  to  go by. Any photos?

Nancy Young
Troutville,   VA

-----Original  Message-----
From: Larry Kline  via  va-bird
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 11:10 AM
To:   va-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Va-bird] ID   Anyone?

These were  roosting on the side of a  barn in  Central Pennsylvania.  No
comparative size  was  given.

Larry  Kline

Fredericksburg.
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