[bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom line
- From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:53:10 -0400
Merrill,
While I do thing that the submitter does have a responsibility to ensure
that her scans are as perfect as possible, there are certain things that a
blind submitter may not be able to do However, until the standards from
Bookshare are increased, the submitter has no incentive to increase his
standards either.
Pratik
Pratik Patel
Managing Director
CUNYAssistive Technology Services
The City University of New York
ppatel@xxxxxx
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[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Merrill Louise
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom line
I don't think the issue here is validation. The minimal requirements make
sense to me. I think the real issue here is scanning. The scanner has the
printed book which, in the end, is the final arbiter of what the text says.
I think it is the scanner's responsibility to provide a readable book and to
do the leg work to make it that way. I don't think the anger I'm reading is
properly directed at the "powers that be" at bookshare.org. I think it is
the submitter who bears the all the responsibility. As a subscriber, I can
choose not to read books with a fair rating and only read books with an
excellent rating.
Merrill Louise, Pastor
The Judson Fellowship
Jamestown, New York
cell/office 716.969.2840
"With all my heart I praise the Lord, and I am glad because of God my
Savior. (Luke 1:46-47)
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From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom line
> I have a couple of points that I'd like to discuss.
> What is readable is very subjective. As you stated Mary, what is
considered
> readable to one person can be totally frustrating for another. The
example
> about the term paper perfectly illustrates my feelings in this matter. I
> too, would like to know if it's possible to raise the quality standards
for
> bookshare. I totally love this idea of bookshare and how we can have
instant
> access to a wide variety of books. But I strongly feel that quality is
> important. After all, bookshare is not a free service. If we don't pay
> cash, we pay with our time.
>
> About 3 months ago I noticed that there were a lot of books waiting to be
> validated. Thus, over the past 3 months I've spent a lot of my free time
> validating. I've validated thirty something books during this period. I
> spent time doing some basic cleaning up so that these books could be even
> better. However, the comments by the powers-that- be, during this week
has
> lead me to feel that my efforts to improve the books were a waste of my
> time, and worse, not appreciated. I can not consciously approve books
> knowing that with a little extra time spent on the clean up process, the
> book's quality can approach near-perfection. Thus, the result is that I
> will have to think about how much time I want to devote to bookshare in
the
> future.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:03 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom
line
>
>
> > Ah yes. the notion of what is readable is the rub in all of this.
Richard,
> I love your idea about the volunteers and validating.
> > But getting back to the idea of readable, consider, if you will, what
> would happen to you if you turned in a term paper, let's not even discuss
a
> thesis or dissertation, just a garden variety term paper, and that paper
had
> > a bunch of cross-outs, scribblings, maybe a few coffee stains obscuring
> some of the text. What are the chances, do you suppose, that you would get
> anything but an F on that messy paper, 95 or even 98 percent of
> > which might be perfectly readable? Why the heck should people pay for
> anything less than the high end of "good" quality? Why shouldn't we as
> submitters of materials take enough pride in what we submit to want to
> > make it truly readable, i.e. containing some errors, but not so many
that
> the meaning of entire passages is garbled? Obviously, if you have an old
> book with a bad font that just won't ocr well, there's not a lot you can
> > do. I've got such a book that I keep trying, hoping that the next
> iteration of K1k will unlock the key to the crummy Soviet-era font and
paper
> on which the book was printed, so that I can actually enjoy reading the
> > book myself and have a decent enough scan to post for anybody else crazy
> enough to want to read this particular volume. <smile>
> > Somebody posted a question asking about how the standards were decided
> upon, or words to that effect. I too would be interested in that, and
would
> like to know if there is anything that we can do to revisit the issue
> > and get them raised. The word "readable" means very different things to
> different people, it would seem. Otherwise, we wouldn't have titles on the
> system with portions that are totally garbled and not at all readable.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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