I don't think the issue here is validation. The minimal requirements make sense to me. I think the real issue here is scanning. The scanner has the printed book which, in the end, is the final arbiter of what the text says. I think it is the scanner's responsibility to provide a readable book and to do the leg work to make it that way. I don't think the anger I'm reading is properly directed at the "powers that be" at bookshare.org. I think it is the submitter who bears the all the responsibility. As a subscriber, I can choose not to read books with a fair rating and only read books with an excellent rating. Merrill Louise, Pastor The Judson Fellowship Jamestown, New York cell/office 716.969.2840 "With all my heart I praise the Lord, and I am glad because of God my Savior. (Luke 1:46-47) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom line > I have a couple of points that I'd like to discuss. > What is readable is very subjective. As you stated Mary, what is considered > readable to one person can be totally frustrating for another. The example > about the term paper perfectly illustrates my feelings in this matter. I > too, would like to know if it's possible to raise the quality standards for > bookshare. I totally love this idea of bookshare and how we can have instant > access to a wide variety of books. But I strongly feel that quality is > important. After all, bookshare is not a free service. If we don't pay > cash, we pay with our time. > > About 3 months ago I noticed that there were a lot of books waiting to be > validated. Thus, over the past 3 months I've spent a lot of my free time > validating. I've validated thirty something books during this period. I > spent time doing some basic cleaning up so that these books could be even > better. However, the comments by the powers-that- be, during this week has > lead me to feel that my efforts to improve the books were a waste of my > time, and worse, not appreciated. I can not consciously approve books > knowing that with a little extra time spent on the clean up process, the > book's quality can approach near-perfection. Thus, the result is that I > will have to think about how much time I want to devote to bookshare in the > future. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 8:03 PM > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Requirements for acceptance -- the bottom line > > > > Ah yes. the notion of what is readable is the rub in all of this. Richard, > I love your idea about the volunteers and validating. > > But getting back to the idea of readable, consider, if you will, what > would happen to you if you turned in a term paper, let's not even discuss a > thesis or dissertation, just a garden variety term paper, and that paper had > > a bunch of cross-outs, scribblings, maybe a few coffee stains obscuring > some of the text. What are the chances, do you suppose, that you would get > anything but an F on that messy paper, 95 or even 98 percent of > > which might be perfectly readable? Why the heck should people pay for > anything less than the high end of "good" quality? Why shouldn't we as > submitters of materials take enough pride in what we submit to want to > > make it truly readable, i.e. containing some errors, but not so many that > the meaning of entire passages is garbled? Obviously, if you have an old > book with a bad font that just won't ocr well, there's not a lot you can > > do. I've got such a book that I keep trying, hoping that the next > iteration of K1k will unlock the key to the crummy Soviet-era font and paper > on which the book was printed, so that I can actually enjoy reading the > > book myself and have a decent enough scan to post for anybody else crazy > enough to want to read this particular volume. <smile> > > Somebody posted a question asking about how the standards were decided > upon, or words to that effect. I too would be interested in that, and would > like to know if there is anything that we can do to revisit the issue > > and get them raised. The word "readable" means very different things to > different people, it would seem. Otherwise, we wouldn't have titles on the > system with portions that are totally garbled and not at all readable. > > Mary > > > > > > > > >