I have to agree with Evan. I rarely submit a book without a hold in the
title. It's hard to know if or when such a book will be proofread, and I
prefer to know that my books will be done in a timely fashion, not to
mention thoroughly read through.
----- Original Message -----
From: "EVAN REESE" <mentat3@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 11:43 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Hold discussion again.
Personally, I have decided to not submit anything in the future that does
not have a hold on it.
I submitted a novel by a famous Science Fiction author, and announced it's
submission here on the list. Eight days later the book was still on the
Check Out page. I finally wrote to someone who has proofread two of my
previous submissions and asked him if he would be interested in taking it,
which, fortunately, he was. So in the future I will only submit books with
hold for in the title. Without it, I have no idea as to even whether my
submission will be proofread, let alone when. At least with a hold for, I
may not be certain as to exactly when it will be taken, although I know it
won't be more than a few days in my experience, but I won't have to worry
about whether it will be taken at all.
Perhaps people who scan and submit books of wide general interest without a
hold for don't have to worry about their books being checked out, but those
of us who do stuff of more narrow interest and submit it without a hold for
may have their books sit up there for who knows how long.
A two week limit on the time of a hold for was instituted to try to mitigate
the proliferation of holds for particular people for a long time. That may
need some tweaking, but overall I value the hold for quite a lot.
(Incidentally, almost all of the hold fors I have put up were taken the same
day I submitted them. I have never had a book I submitted with a hold for up
on the Check Out page for more than three days. I contact the person in
question and let them know that the book is going up and when, and usually
after the book is submitted as well.) Putting books up on the Check Out page
without a hold for is a crapshoot. Maybe someone will take it today, maybe
tomorrow, maybe three months from now.
Evan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Loran Bailey" <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Hold discussion again.
> Actually, I am coming to doubt the necessity of the hold system at all. As
> I understand it, before I came to Bookshare, there was no limit on the
> number of books that one might have checked out. That was changed because
> it was being abused. That is, someone would check out books and hold them
> for very long periods of time running into years. Okay, a limit of five
> was established, but what good does that do if the same books that used to
> be hoarded in one's checkout pile was then hoarded in the open on the
> public checkout list? The only difference I see is that they were then in
> the way when someone was looking for something to proofread and had to
> skim through pages of holds to find one. On the other hand, though, I do
> see some reasons that it might be good to hold a book for someone. Back in
> August of 2008 I had almost finished proofing a certain book into which I
> had put quite a bit of work and I had a hard drive crash and was out of
> commission for a while. I contacted Cindy and asked her to grab that book
> when it expired and save it for me, but I think she contacted Carrie to
> ask that a hold be put on it for me. That was a case in which I was glad I
> could get one held for me. Another case of a legitimate hold is the case
> of Carrie having to return a book to the checkout list for some minor
> correction. It is only fair that the proofer who had just worked on it get
> a chance to correct it, but all too often those proofers never bother to
> pick it up again and it just sits there with a hold on it. With exceptions
> like I just mentioned you would only find an occasional hold on the
> checkout list and then only for a little while. As things stand, though,
> it seems to me that the abuse that the limitation on the number of books
> one may have checked out was not solved, but just made more public.
>
>
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>
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>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gwen tweedy" <gstweedy@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 10:33 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: The Hold discussion again.
>
>
> Yeah all the neat books have a name on them and some have been there
> practically a month and some much longer.
> I realize people have a say on their books which is wonderful, some people
> have tuns of books, and there would be no way they could possibly get to
> that many books in a two week time period, and a person who would truly
> enjoy proofing a book can't. I understand most folks have theirpreferences
> who does their books and that too is wonderful, but what happens to those
> who don't have anything to proof, can't scan for health reasons and truly
> want to help bookshare grow the library.
> Books just sitting up there in the line, are just sitting there.
> Some have choices because they can scan, some of us, don't have choices
> because we have to go with what is up there for us to choose from, then
> if they all have names, and for a month or more, that limits us in what we
> can do for Bookshare, and the point is, to get the books in the library
> quality wise of course, but in a timely manner as well.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert tweedy
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 9:08 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] The Hold discussion again.
>
>
> I am going to give an example of this post and I think that there should
> be something done about this hold business so we can get these books off
> the check out page if and when possible. Here's the example and by the way
> it was submitted December 10, 2009 so that is more than two weeks. HOLD
> FOR LINDA F The Shepherd, The Angel, And Walter The Christmas Miracle Dog
>
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