[bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:03:28 -0500
Scott,
I think my second message which corrected my goof explained this, but you
want 39 and 34 in the scan. That's the characters that the Braille
translator likes.
OpenBook has a habit of using the other characters, especially the one for
the closing double quote.
HTH
Gerald
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Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
Gerald,
Ok, so when I convert my openbook file into an rtf document, the punctuation
that is appearing at the beginning and end of dialog is character 39. Is
this good or bad? Or does it mean anything at all? I'm mystified. Also, the
apostrophes are appearing as character 39.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Hovas" <GeraldHovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
> Scott,
>
> Yes. The opening and closing single quotes are in the 140's or 8000's
> depending on which code your screen reader decides to announce. JAWS
> version 7 has been announcing the four digit number, and the version 5 I
> used to run announced the 3 digit number.
>
> HTH
>
> Gerald
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott Blanks
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:39 AM
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
>
> Pratik, can I determine if these are proper single quotes by checking that
> they are ascii character 39? Hope I'm phrasing that correctly.
>
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pratik Patel" <pratikp1@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:29 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Braille formatting has no problem with properly converting single quote
>> characters, so long as they are proper ASCII single quotes and not
>> stand-in
>> apostrophes. If apostrophes appear where single quotation symbols should
>> be, then braille conversion will not be correct. You are absolutely
>> right
>> that a global replace presents incredible challenges. Automatic braille
>> conversion isn't smart enough to take care of this kind of difficulty at
>> this time.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pratik
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Grandma Cindy
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 3:15 AM
>> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes appearing as single quotes
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I hope you're wrong about how they come out in BRF
>> format, because I've done at least 4 books that way
>> that I can think of--no, five or six that I remember.
>>
>> Do you read in Braille? If so, download the most
>> recent ones like that I validated, Blood Royal and/or
>> Transit of Venus (Did you scan and submit that one? I
>> can't remember) and see how they came out. If they
>> don't read properly, then we need to know that, and
>> also need to know from the officials what to do. A
>> global change would make apostrophes also double
>> quotes.
>>
>> Cindy R
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Blanks <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Cindy,
>>>
>>> Yep, English author. And published within the past
>>> 15 years. I would have no
>>> problem leaving things as they are, but I don't
>>> believe it will come out
>>> well in the Braille format. I'm hoping someone can
>>> comment on this concern.
>>>
>>> I've converted what I've scanned into the rtf
>>> format, and the quotes are
>>> still appearing as single quotes or apostrophes.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Grandma Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 12:01 AM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: double quotes
>>> appearing as single quotes
>>>
>>>
>>> > Scott,
>>> >
>>> > Is this a book written by an English as opposed to
>>> an
>>> > American author? The English do it that way. They
>>> > also, I've seen in books I've validated, omit the
>>> > period we put after titles like Mr., and put
>>> > punctuation marks outside quotation marks instead
>>> of
>>> > inside, as we do. Some of that may depend on when
>>> the
>>> > book was published, but I'm not sure.
>>> >
>>> > To find out more about the differences, as well as
>>> an
>>> > interesting take on grammar and punctuation, I
>>> > recommend Eats Shoots and Leaves, which is in the
>>> > collection. It's an amusing book.
>>> >
>>> > Which reminds me, spelling differs, too, z being
>>> used
>>> > in words like amusing instead of s.
>>> >
>>> > When I validate a book like that, I don't change
>>> > anything but I do put in the long synopsis that
>>> the
>>> > book used English rather than American spelling
>>> and
>>> > punctuation.
>>> >
>>> > Grandma Cindy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- Scott Blanks <scottsjb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hello all,
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm using Openbook to scan a novel. Where dialog
>>> >> appears in the book,
>>> >> Openbook is identifying what should be double
>>> quotes
>>> >> at the beginning and
>>> >> end of spoken passages as single quotes. I'm
>>> >> concerned that all of these
>>> >> single quotes will have to be converted to the
>>> >> proper quotation marks. Am I
>>> >> correct in this assumption, and if so, is there
>>> an
>>> >> easy way to do this? Or
>>> >> another thought ... is there a scanning setting I
>>> >> can adjust within Openbook
>>> >> so the inaccurate marks will be seen properly?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> Scott
>>> >>
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