Re: [ConstellationTalk] Changing the description of our work on Wikipedia.

From: anngwyn@xxxxxxx
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 10:17:38 -0500

In a message dated 2/27/2016 10:42:02 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Is there a place for commenting on this on Wikipaedia itself? Or even
within the text?
Otherwise I guess all we can do is just ignore it and keep doing the  work.
Barbara

Sent from my iPhone

On 24 Feb 2016, at 11:55, "Alison Fornes _maitreya71@gmail.com_
(mailto:maitreya71@xxxxxxxxx)   [ConstellationTalk]"
<_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

wrote:

Hi all,

Just checked the wiki entry, and it has reverted back to the skeptical
version.

I did some research about skeptical activism on wikipedia and found  this:

_http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com_ ;(http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/)

On Monday, January 18, 2016, jack blackwell _travelerjbjb@yahoo.com_
(mailto:travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx)   [ConstellationTalk]
<_ConstellationTalk@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)

wrote:

Here is the current definition for Family Constellations on  Wikipedia:

Family Constellations, also known as _Systemic Constellations_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_Constellations)  and Systemic Family
Constellations, is an _alternative_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_medicine)  therapeutic method which
attempts in a  single session to reveal a
previously unrecognized systemic dynamic that  spans multiple generations in a
given family and to resolve the  deleterious effects of that dynamic by
encouraging the subject to accept  the factual reality of the past.
While the names are sometimes used interchangeably, _Systemic
Constellations_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_Constellations)  is a
often used
as a broader  category which includes family constellations, organizational
constellations and structural constellations, with the difference mainly
being the system to be explored._[1]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-1) _[2]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-2) _[3]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-carroll-3)
While originally  used for family systems, the
expansion to use with other systems lead to  the more general term _Systemic
Constellations_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_Constellations) .
Many people contributed to the development of the process; however,  the
German-born _Bert  Hellinger_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Hellinger)
(b. 1925) is widely acknowledged as the founder of the  process in its
modern form. His first book, published in English as Love's  Hidden
Symmetry,_[4]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-4)  became
a best seller  in Germany and brought Constellations to public awareness.
Family Constellations diverges significantly from conventional forms  of
_cognitive_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_psychology) , _behaviour_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour_therapy)  and _psychodynamic
psychotherapy_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodynamic_psychotherapy) .
_Bert  Hellinger_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Hellinger)  wrote that
Family Constellations has the capacity to open up  new perspectives and
possible solutions._[5]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_
note-5)  Practitioners claim  that present-day problems and difficulties may
be influenced by traumas  suffered in previous generations of the family,
even if those affected now  are unaware of the original event in the past.
Hellinger referred to the  relation between present and past problems that are
not caused by direct  personal experience as Systemic entanglements, said
to occur when  unresolved trauma has afflicted a family through an event such
as murder,  suicide, death of a mother in childbirth, early death of a
parent or  sibling, war, natural disaster, emigration, or abuse._[6]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-6)  The
psychiatrist
_Iván Böszörményi-Nagy_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iván_Böszörményi-Nagy)
referred to this phenomenon as  Invisible Loyalties._[7]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-7)
Family Constellations appears to have a favorable effect on  relationships,
wellbeing, and raising awareness generally._[8]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-8) _[9]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-9) _[10]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-10) _[11]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-11) _[12]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-12) _[13]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-13)  Positive
outcomes  from the therapy have been
attributed to conventional explanations such as  _suggestion_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggestion)  and _empathy_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empathy) ._[3]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-carroll-3)
There have been different explanations suggested for how  people might be
effected by their ancestors that range from the more  scientific, such as
attachment bonding,_[14]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-14)
trans-generational  trauma_[15]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-15)  and
epigenetics,_[16]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-16)  to the more

alternative, such as shamanic principles_[17]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-17)  and morphic
fields.  _Hellinger_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Hellinger)  incorporates the
_pseudoscientific_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific)  idea of _morphic resonance_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphic_resonance)  into his explanation of
how the effect  might span generations, an explanation that physicists call
_quantum quackery_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_quackery) , saying
"there is no good reason to  believe that there are quantum effects at the
biological level."_[3]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations#cite_note-carroll-3)


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Connecting  Spirit & Psychology ~ Creating profound insights and  Healing
Family  Constellation Workshops & Trainings, Holotropic Breathwork
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From: "Monika Dressler drmdressler@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:45  PM
Subject: Re:  [ConstellationTalk] Changing the description of our work on
Wikipedia.

Hello Everyone,

All in all user "snailwiki" has now again modified the text in  a very
balanced and helpful way. Very good quality work I would say. The  emerging
power of the constellation community :)

Monika


____________________________________
From: "Alison Fornes maitreya71@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday,  January 16, 2016 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk]  Changing the description of our work on
Wikipedia.

It looks like the "Family Constellations" entry has been  recently changed
as well. When I checked last (a week ago?), it was much  more balanced and
positive. Now it is back to the "quantum quackery"  language.

Ack.

There are numerous books, PhD dissertations and Knowing Field  articles
that could be referenced. Feels like a big project - one that I  would
participate in if there were a group of us who wanted to get  involved.

If that's you, let me know.

It is  the courageous heart that loves. It is the loving heart that heals.

_alisonfornes.com_ (http://alisonfornes.com/)

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Monika Dressler drmdressler@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]  <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I have spent some time with help to look into this  Wikipedia issue. It
appears there is only one hard core hostile editor  _Pinkbeast_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pinkbeast)  and one sceptical  editor
_Alexbrn_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alexbrn)  who insist on restoring  the
older
version and refuse to consider any reasonable request to re  evaluate the
text. It is not hard to restore the more balanced version  by  _21:47, 14
January 2016_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Constellations&oldid=699854173)
‎ _Roxy the dog_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Roxy_the_dog)

As a community we should be able to prevail over two  editors in Wikipedia
but we will need to adhere to the Wikipedia rules.  Also additional attempts
to communicate with those two hostile editors  may eventually work?

1. generate a user name and password - very easy, but do  not try to have
two accounts!
2. login
3. go to Family Constellation - View history
4. undo  _Pinkbeast_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pinkbeast)
version
5. or edit/save  the more balanced version  by  _21:47, 14 January 2016_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Constellations&oldid=6998541
73) ‎ _Roxy the dog_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Roxy_the_dog)

It  is not a large establishment we are up against just two recalcitrant
voluntary editors. I have been banned by them because my son was helping  me
through his account, a breach of Wikipedia rules.

Good luck
Monika


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From: "anngwyn@xxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]"
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday,  January 16, 2016 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk]  Changing the description of our work on
Wikipedia.

Hello Everyone,

No surprise, really... censorship by our controllers is on the
rise...perhaps you have noticed this elsewhere in your personal and
professional
lives...

Kind regards

Anngwyn

In a message dated 1/15/2016 6:01:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard  Time,
ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Hello all,
In the past few days the following message has gone up on the  Systemic
Constellations website. If the individual who changed the  Family
Constellations page has the time and energy to change this page  with the same
information it would likely benefit the whole  constellations community.

It is _proposed that this article be  deleted_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion)  because of the
following concern:
Seems to have minimal sources, reliable or not. Google  searches give very
few results, and the term seems to be used by  only a few extreme-fringe
groups. Sources for the article do not  appear to be either reliable or notable.

If you can address this concern by _improving_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy) , _copyediting_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style) , _sourcing_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction_to_referencing/1) , _renaming_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Moving_a_page)  or _merging_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging)  the page, please _edit this
page_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Systemic_Constellations&action=edit)
  and do  so. You may
remove this message if you improve the article or  otherwise object to deletion
for any reason. Although not  required, you are encouraged to explain why
you object to the  deletion, either in your edit summary or on the talk page.
If this  template is removed, do not replace it.
The article may be deleted if this message remains in place  for seven
days, i.e., after 13:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC).
If you created the article, please don't be  offended. Instead, consider
improving the article so that it is  acceptable according to the _deletion
policy_ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy) .

____________________________________
Please consider notifying the author/project:  {{_subst_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Substitution) :_proposed deletion
notify_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Proposed_deletion_notify) |Systemic
Constellations|concern=Seems to have minimal  sources, reliable or not. Google
searches give very few results, and  the term seems to be used by only a few
extreme-fringe groups. Sources  for the article do not appear to be either
reliable or notable.}}  ~~~~
Timestamp: 20160114130702  13:07, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Warm regards,
Patricia Robertson

On Jan 15, 2016, at 5:25 PM, Elmar Dornberger
elmar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk]
<ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:

I  just found this today on the net and thought this might be of  interest
so we all understand Wikipedia better.
At  15, Wikipedia Is Finally Finding Its Way to the Truth
Today,  Wikipedia celebrates its 15th birthday. In Internet years, that’s
pretty old.
But  it’s only just reaching maturity. _Read the full story_
(https://apple.news/AS-agbRzyQVKFlto2hqn69g)

Yours,
Elmar

On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Barbara  Morgan theknowingfield@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk]  <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:

No doubt someone with a personal investment in  keeping the negative out
there. Must be either someone who has had  a negative personal experience of
the work or is in some way in  competition. Why else would they come back so
quickly and change  it back? Interesting why this is happening now, in terms
of field  phenomena. Why this negative field around the work at this moment
in time?
Barbara

On 6 January 2016 at 18:06, jack  blackwell travelerjbjb@xxxxxxxxx
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Interesting, it has now been changed back to the  original negative
description again.  Hmmm

--
It is the  courageous heart that loves. It is the loving heart that  heals.

_alisonfornes.com_ (http://alisonfornes.com/)

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