Dear Alison,
musseltof, musseltof!! I would like to acknowledge your wonderful insights
and
say how deeply moved i was by your sharing of challenges and ultimate wins
around toms sharings,
such rich exchange flowing from all of this,
Jonine
----- Original Message -----
From: Alison Rose Levy
To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: FW: [ConstellationTalk] Choice
Dear Chris, Angwynn, Barbara, Gary, and group:
With reassurance and support from you, along with the requests of a number
of people who have written privately— and having processed this further
within myself, I am coming back on board and will share a bit as what has
occurred is a healing and learning opportunity.
People like Tom do have the canny brilliance of going right for trigger
points, and it’s not a happenstance that he targeted as he did. In a way I
have to thank him.
When Anita wrote that she didn’t know how she’d feel if she were included in
a Tom narrative— that prompted me to share a bit more.
Quite frankly, I felt disappointed when I experienced that some lacked
empathy in thinking that Tom’s words could be so easily shrugged off. I now
recognize that first of all, I was deeply triggered by them (obviously!),
and second, that many are not aware of the undercurrents that might prompt
that response.
It’s exceptionally courageous for any victim-identified person of any
background to come to the rigors of this work— as I’ve heard Bert say that
he regards victims as somehow “more difficult,” even though clearly he has
helped many to healing.
Perhaps that challenge is steeper for we who as Jews approach “the enemy” as
teachers--- especially for Jews not prompted by the widely recognized
phenomenon of Jewish self-hatred— which can readily lead one into becoming
either a perpetrator or the perpetrator’s capo/whore— out of either
identification or survival fear. It goes without saying that everything I
describe here also applies to victim-identified Germans.
Unlike those whose attraction to the work comes with the added boost of a
positive father identification with Bert— or those for whom a German teacher
is simply neutral, for me there is inevitably a great deal of fear, and I
know that I’m not alone in that response.
I’m not sure whether others practicing this form have to mediate their
dedication to it with their love for living (and past) relatives who totally
frown on any connection whatsoever with Germans— or who have died in the
Holocaust.
The irony of connecting with ancestors via a method coming from the
perpetrator/enemy— along with its frequent castigation of victims (which I
regard as a distortion in the view) requires exceptional spiritual integrity
and courage— and really puts loyalty and conscience to the test in a way
that for others may perhaps be merely theoretical.
This has gone unseen in our professional community. Since it’s really the
experience of the clients who come to workshops month after month that most
matters to me, I’ve been okay with that as I suspect are my other Jewish
sister-colleagues.
Within that context, finding my husband and me singled out as Jewish before
my professional group— along with what I perceived (or perhaps
misinterpreted) as an insensitive, numbed out, mental response by some group
members (and a deafening silence from others)— whose focus was on
re-including the perpetrator energy without preceding it by an embodied
acknowledgement of the victim energy, undoubtedly triggered the deeply
visceral Jewish fear of being singled out, excluded from belonging, and
killed.
The same movement that we see in constellations is ever-present in my
professional life in this community, when I stand connected and honoring of
my Jewish roots while walking towards the enemy/teacher/community. This
requires trust, yet exposes one to the danger of re-perpetration. So when
Johannes speaks of the risks of retraumatization in this work, for a Jewish
person, that risk is ever-present in relating to one’s teachers and to this
community.
Yes, it’s my stuff— but it’s also deeply connected to the core reasons this
work came into being and that’s why I consider it worthy of mention here.
Aoart from the beautiful and deeply authentic writings and teachings of Daan
van Kampenhout, whom I honor and love as an elder on this particular path,
this is rarely spoken aloud. From what I can see many Jewish people in this
work contain this challenging paradox silently within themselves— which as
I’ve experienced during this incident— can be suppressive and therefore an
incomplete resolution.
So for me, to finally reveal what I have long carried has in fact been
incredibly healing and I do feel a greater degree of safety in this group
and in life and so I return to this group with thanks to you all including
Tom.
The first time that Ed and I set foot on German soil, it was to go to Zist
and study with Bert Hellinger. On our drive through Switzerland, we stopped
to make a phone call, got caught in a sudden downpour, sought refuge in a
glass phone booth, and were mere inches away from being struck by lightening
which flashed around us on all sides. Several days later, when I set up my
first family constellation before Bert, he asked: “If someone were to be
struck by lightening, who would it be?”
Although Bert moved me out of harm’s way, the lightening bolts still find me
-- since then at an intensity that is usually enlightening, rather than
life-threatening. Yet sometimes I get scared, because I’ve yet to find the
unconditional trust as to which it will be.
Perhaps one day I will.
For all of that, Ed and I do indeed (and gladly) pour the wine for the
victims and the perpetrators and lift a glass to Bert with a resounding
“l’chaim”-- to life — but correction, Tom, it’s not mogen david, it’s Cotes
du Rhone.
Alison
PS: And to my Jewish and German friends in the work reading this in blind
cc, if you have not been following this, read down this email and please let
me know, if you’d like me to fill you in.
>
>
>
> From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alison Rose Levy
> Sent: Monday, 21 January 2008 4:27 AM
> To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Choice
>
>
>
> Thanks, Ingala, for this suggestion— and I think it would be very helpful
> and would suggest that the group adopt one of the first two suggestions.
>
> Tom’s posting as well as the responses to it have triggered a lot for me—
> I’m feeling weepy, scared, and emotionally overwhelmed at finding myself
> labeled like this and cast as a designated victim in a supposedly
> therapeutic forum/form that I’ve devoted many years to practicing— and where
> I felt that I had some right to belong.
>
> Despite many years of hard work, that kind of vulnerability to victim
> identification is never that far away for someone like me, so perhaps I am
> not sufficiently hardy to belong to this cavalier group of manly
> philosophers. I have to apologize to the German masters of this work and
> their surrogates if I have failed in my efforts to be a good enough German
> because my heritage and ancestry make me pray to being that most
> unattractive and unsympathetic of all creatures— namely a Jewish victim
> woman.
>
> While some might enjoy these discussions as armchair philosophers, I must
> confess I feel too exposed and vulnerable to feel that way. I’m having a
> hard time staying in the group, and it occurs to me that it would be much
> simpler for everyone if I left so you could all celebrate your
> inclusiveness.
>
> Anyone wishing to contact me can do so privately, and Chris I am asking to
> be removed for this time.
>
> Alison
>
> On 1/19/08 10:05 AM, Ingala Robl Greis at ingalarobl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:ingalarobl%40prodigy.net.mx> wrote:
>
>> > Greetings to all
>> >
>> > I have several suggestions for this type of conduct by people like Tom:
>> >
>> > - We could form a Committee of Honour and Ethics, so that Chris
>> > would not have to take this type of decision
>> >
>> > - Once the page is up, we could use the poll-program so that
>> > everybody could vote on this: leading to temporary exclusion
>> > or total exclusion from the group, or whatever, which keeps the
>> > lever off Chris also
>> >
>> > - We could just let it be because everybody has a right to voice his/
>> > her opinion, even those opinions we do not like and offend us, and
>> > there are many people out in the world like this. Our motto is
>> > inclusion. As several of you have mentioned: systemically, what Tom
>> > wrote, tells more about Tom than about the people he wrote about,
>> >
>> > Best greetings,
>> >
>> > Ingala
>> >
>> >
>> > El 18/01/2008, a las 14:22, Chris Walsh escribió:
>> >
>>> >> Hi all
>>> >>
>>> >> This was a difficult decision and not based on this email alone. I
>>> >> have
>>> >> given Tom a series of private warnings before so my move would not
>>> >> have been
>>> >> a surprise to him. I in fact had used the option to stop him
>>> >> sending emails
>>> >> but it failed on this occasion. So the only options were to put up
>>> >> with this
>>> >> or exclude him for a while. Please note the words „for a while‰ .
>>> >> He does
>>> >> have the possibility of returning if he apologises. If he does not
>>> >> want to
>>> >> do that then he is excluding himself.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think Sheila made a very good point that Tom deserves the
>>> >> feedback from
>>> >> the group post exclusion. I will forward that to him. It is easy to
>>> >> forward
>>> >> you own emails to him as I have done here by copying him in.
>>> >>
>>> >> hasta la vista
>>> >>
>>> >> Chris Walsh
>>> >>
>>> >> Melbourne, Australia
>>> >> webpage: www.cwalsh.com.au
>>> >>
>>> >> From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Anita Roy
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2008 5:54 AM
>>> >> To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [ConstellationTalk] Tom Melleltt
>>> >>
>>> >> There are many ways to do set boundaries, and I appreciate that
>>> >> Chris was in
>>> >> a difficult spot and had to take measures. In light of recent
>>> >> discussions re
>>> >> breastfeeding and parenting, I am thinking what an appropriate
>>> >> boundary
>>> >> might be within a family or yahoogroup.
>>> >>
>>> >> Suspension is a form of alienation. It is like sending a kid to his
>>> >> room,
>>> >> but he/she is still in the house, so not "thrown out". However,
>>> >> that still
>>> >> causes the child to feel separate and abandoned, and not part of
>>> >> the family.
>>> >> I once had a foster child, and if she had raging tantrums in the
>>> >> living
>>> >> room, she did have to go to her room, but I went with her, to
>>> >> alleviate the
>>> >> component of abandonment. It was preferable for her to stay in the
>>> >> living
>>> >> room, but with me or my husband containing her physical and verbal
>>> >> violent
>>> >> outbursts. This also alleviated the component of secret goings on
>>> >> in the
>>> >> living room when she wasn't there. The containment, and discussion
>>> >> of her
>>> >> behaviour were not secret, and transparency to everyone. This was also
>>> >> educational for my own kids, as they saw the process and learned
>>> >> from it.
>>> >>
>>> >> So in that spirit, I would recommend inclusion in the group for
>>> >> Mellett, but
>>> >> his postings should be put on moderation as YahooGroups allows, and
>>> >> if they
>>> >> are considered inappropriate by Chris who is responsible for the
>>> >> overall
>>> >> well being of the group, then they simply shouldn'tt be approved for
>>> >> broadcast. On good behaviour after any number of months deemed
>>> >> appropriate,
>>> >> Mellett could go back to "unmoderated" status.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sincerely
>>> >>
>>> >> Anita Roy
>>> >>
>>> >> On 18/01/2008, Paul Chung <paulchung@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:paulchung%40paulchung.com.hk>
>>> >> <mailto:paulchung%40paulchung.com.hk> > wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Dear all,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I want to explore further from a systemic point of view. I would
>>> >> like to
>>>> >>> know if Chris has to right to set up a constellation to explore if
>>>> >>> "suspension" is the best solution for the interest of the group?
>>> >> While the
>>>> >>> "group' also include Tom, does he has to right to mediate /
>>> >> regulate in
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> constellation if he detects entanglement between Tom & Bert with
>>> >> a view to
>>>> >>> benefit the group. "Has the right" does not imply "has to drive".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I support Chris to blow the whistle. I would further support Tom
>>> >> to have
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> access to read what is going on with the rest of the group after the
>>>> >>> suspension. Again "have the access" does not imply he "has the
>>> >> interest".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> To me, Tom's email, as well as Bert's new style in recent years,
>>> >> are the
>>>> >>> best arrangement or the fate of the SC community. "Yes, that's
>>> >> right"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> In Chinese medicine, we give ways for the heat in fever to pass
>>> >> out from
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> body rather than to "stop" or "neutralise" it. A typical example
>>> >> is when
>>>> >>> a baby or small child has fever, we'd rub our hands with medicine
>>> >> oil to
>>>> >>> heat before placing it over the baby's feet to direct the heat
>>> >> from there.
>>>> >>> Or we mop the baby's body with warm wet towel to drain away the
>>> >> heat as
>>>> >>> the
>>>> >>> water evaporates from the body. While some people in the western
>>> >> world
>>>> >>> will
>>>> >>> place ice cube / pad over the baby's forehead to keep it "cool".
>>> >> From our
>>>> >>> perspective, more heat will drain away from the "cooled" forehead
>>> >> and the
>>>> >>> brain cell may be damaged if the baby has a high temperature. We
>>> >> consider
>>>> >>> directing the heat away with warm wet towel or heated palm over
>>> >> the feet
>>>> >>> are
>>>> >>> much safer.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Paul responding from Hong Kong,
>>>> >>> a place where eastern & western culture conglomerate
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2008/1/18, Ed Levy <levye@xxxxxxx <mailto:levye%40rcn.com>
>>>> <mailto:levye%40rcn.com>
>>> >> <levye%40rcn.com>>:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Chris,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Thanks for addressing the issue of Tom's inflammable speech, which
>>>> >>> doesn't
>>>>> >>>> suit the purpose of this forum or meet his own seemingly
>>> >> starved need
>>>> >>> for
>>>>> >>>> attention and contact. I hope he finds both in a healthier way.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Ed Levy
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> _____
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> From: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> <ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> >>> <ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> >>>> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> >> <ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> >>> <ConstellationTalk%40yahoogroups.com>]
>>>>> >>>> On Behalf Of Chris Walsh
>>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 2:38 AM
>>>>> >>>> To: tmasthenes13@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:tmasthenes13%40yahoo.com>
>>>>> <mailto:tmasthenes13%40yahoo.com>
>>> >> <tmasthenes13%40yahoo.com><tmasthenes13%40yahoo.com>
>>>>> >>>> Subject: FW: [ConstellationTalk] When Bert finally croaks . .
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Dear Tom,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'm sorry but this email of yours is totally over the top and
>>>>> >>>> inappropriate.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Accordingly I have removed you from the list to give you a
>>> >> chance to
>>>> >>> cool
>>>>> >>>> your heals and reflect.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> You can reapply to join the group in two months if you make
>>> >> appropriate
>>>>> >>>> apologies to the people you insulted in your email especially
>>> >> Alison
>>>> >>> Rose
>>>>> >>>> Levy, Ed Levy Ed Lynch and Bert Hellinger.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> hasta la vista
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Chris Walsh
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Melbourne, Australia
>>>>> >>>> webpage: www.cwalsh.com.au
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> From: ConstellationTalk@ <mailto:ConstellationTalk%
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%25> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>> >> 40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> >>>> yahoogroups.com
>>>>> >>>> [mailto:ConstellationTalk@ ;<mailto:ConstellationTalk%
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%25> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>> >> 40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> >>>> yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tmasthenes13
>>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, 18 January 2008 7:51 AM
>>>>> >>>> To: ConstellationTalk@ <mailto:ConstellationTalk%
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk%25> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>>>> <mailto:ConstellationTalk% ;>
>>> >> 40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> >>>> yahoogroups.com
>>>>> >>>> Subject: [ConstellationTalk] When Bert finally croaks . .
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Greetings to one and all! As the "Phantom Constellator" who
>>> >> "belongs
>>>>> >>>> by not belonging," I just dropped in "to see what condition my
>>>>> >>>> condition was in" and to offer my contribution to the worldwide FC
>>>>> >>>> community when our esteemed Father Anton Suitbert Hellinger
>>> >> finally
>>>>> >>>> croaks.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I choose to describe this future event with a cheeky (actually
>>>>> >>>> throaty!) English slang verb for dying because, as Jesus says, we
>>>>> >>>> don't know the hour of our passing, and ole' Bert might live to
>>> >> be a
>>>>> >>>> hundred! Hell, the sonofabitch might outlive me!!!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> But the actuarial tables predict otherwise, so odds are, he
>>> >> kicks off
>>>>> >>>> before I do. Therefore, I need a way for you all to stamp this
>>> >> posting
>>>>> >>>> into your memories and contact me when Bert's time is up and he
>>>>> >>>> sojourns to that Great Constellation in the sky.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [for those subscribers whose first language is not English, the
>>>>> >>>> etymology of the word "croak" meaning "to die" is either a
>>> >> reference
>>>>> >>>> to the frog-like sound of the "death rattle" emitted as the
>>> >> person's
>>>>> >>>> last breath on the deathbed, or else the Irish Gaelic verb "croch"
>>>>> >>>> meaning "to hang" --- not only with a rope but also to "hang on a
>>>>> >>>> cross," i.e. "to crucify."]
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Here's my offering. For the last few weeks I have been obsessively
>>>>> >>>> singing the moving and stirring German military requiem/elegy song
>>>>> >>>> that Bert had requested to be sung at his 2006 Bavarian
>>> >> Birthday Bash
>>>>> >>>> as Max Dauskardt reported to us in his posting #3009 dated
>>> >> December
>>>>> >>>> 18, 2006. Click here to read Max's post
>>>>> >>>> http://health.
>>>>> >>>> <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ConstellationTalk/message/
>>> >> 3009>
>>>>> >>>> groups.yahoo.com/group/ConstellationTalk/message/3009
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> The song is known either by its title: "Mein guter Kamerad" (My
>>> >> Good
>>>>> >>>> Comrade)
>>>>> >>>> or its opening line, "Ich hatte einen Kameraden" (I once had a
>>> >> comrade.)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Here's an English Wikipedia entry for the song, its use and
>>> >> history:
>>>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia ;<
>>>>> >>>> ">">">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden>
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden>
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden>
>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden%3e>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden>
>>>>> >>>> .org/wiki/Ich_hatte_einen_Kameraden
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I possess a very good and booming Irish tenor voice and I envision
>>>>> >>>> singing this hymn at whatever memorial service for Bert we will
>>>>> >>>> organize in Southern California.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> (I would also recite his poem to Adolf Hitler in both his German
>>>>> >>>> original and in my English translation.)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Ideally, the Comrade elegy should be sung by a large men's
>>> >> chorus, but
>>>>> >>>> I'm able to sing for ten men in case I have to sing solo. Perhaps
>>>>> >>>> this notice might inspire other men to form a chorus.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I'd be willing to travel to any constellation center or conference
>>>>> >>>> during the one year of official mourning for our beloved father
>>>>> >>>> figure. What a way to set the mood for any and all constellations!
>>>>> >>>> Hope you have enough floor space for all the horizontal
>>>>> >>>> representatives you'll have!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> (I can see it now. You know that point in a constellation when the
>>>>> >>>> rep's knees start buckling as they get ready to drop dead? Hey,
>>>>> >>>> sometimes it's the most comfortable position in the whole process.
>>>>> >>>> I've actually fallen asleep as rep on the floor, only to wake
>>> >> up to
>>>>> >>>> the facilitator needing to convince me that I had actually died!)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Also, we should be proactive and consult our erudite
>>> >> winemaster, "Over
>>>>> >>>> Easy" Eddie Lynch, who should be able to provide cases of the two
>>>>> >>>> vintage wines: Bert Nouveau and Bert Classique. (Isn't there a
>>> >> Sophie
>>>>> >>>> Liebfraumilch vintage as well?)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Check Ed Lynch's wine review in this posting #3550 of August 4,
>>> >> 2007
>>>>> >>>> http://health.
>>>>> >>>> <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ConstellationTalk/message/
>>> >> 3550>
>>>>> >>>> groups.yahoo.com/group/ConstellationTalk/message/3550
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Oh, I just had a thought! Alison, perhaps you and your Eddie Levy
>>>>> >>>> could provide some kosher wine, maybe Mogen David for the Jewish
>>>>> >>>> representatives. We'll need both perpetrator and victim vintages!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> All of the following You Tube videos are no longer than 3 minutes
>>>>> >>>> long. Some are just 2 minutes long. Each and every one plays
>>> >> the same
>>>>> >>>> men's choral rendition of the song at a slow requiem or elegiac
>>>>> >>>> tempo--- except for [3] which moves at the very stirring faster
>>> >> tempo
>>>>> >>>> of a battle hymn. [5] has best sound quality.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Do watch all 8 videos as they are not duplicates of each other
>>> >> in the
>>>>> >>>> chosen photos or movie clips of the German soldiers. I give a
>>> >> short
>>>>> >>>> description of each video.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Tom Mellett
>>>>> >>>> Van Nuys, CA
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ==================================
>>>>> >>>> (B/W = Black and White)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [1] Color still photos with German sub-titles. Each photo
>>> >> expresses a
>>>>> >>>> line of the song
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds
>>>>> >>>> <http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds
>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds&;
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds&>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds& ;>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds& ;>
>>>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds&%20%3chttp://www.youtube.com
>>> /watch?v=IVpM8OPixds&> > &>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=IVpM8OPixds&> &
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [2] B/W still photos, with English translation of each line in
>>> >> sequence
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pj2EE5WNkw>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=6pj2EE5WNkw
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [3] B/W & colorized MOVIE CLIPS, sung at very UPBEAT TEMPO
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMPUgaEEXQ>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=qpMPUgaEEXQ
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [4] Actual B/W MOVIE CLIPS of soldiers marching, deploying,
>>> >> shooting,
>>>> >>> etc.
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c
>>>>> >>>> <http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c
>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1 ;>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1 ;>
>>>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1%20%3chttp://www.youtube
>>> .com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1> > &NR=1>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=2lhxf6ygz0c&NR=1> &NR=1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [5] Good color still photos, no words, but BEST SOUND QUALITY!
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo
>>>>> >>>> <http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo
>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo&;
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo&>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo& ;>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo& ;>
>>>
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo&%20%3chttp://www.youtube.com
>>> /watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo&> > &>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=tq94CsnSIFo&> &
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> =======================================
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [6] Posted by German. B/W still photos, all corpses or scenes of
>>>>> >>>> destruction
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24ssJzAtlD0>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=24ssJzAtlD0
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [7] Posted by German. B/W still photos, almost all are living
>>> >> caring
>>>>> >>>> for wounded.
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lh_mJzDrC8>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=1lh_mJzDrC8
>>>>> >>>> <http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lh_mJzDrC8
>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lh_mJzDrC8&NR=1
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>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=1lh_mJzDrC8&NR=1> &NR=1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> [8] B/W still photos, no corpses, only positive military
>>> >> situations
>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI>
>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI
>>>>> >>>> <http://www.youtube. ;<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI
>>> >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI&NR=1
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI&NR=1>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI&NR=1 ;>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI&NR=1 ;>
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>>>>> >>>> com/watch?v=fWQBSbkaTQI&NR=1> &NR=1
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ===============================
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> (Poem written in 1809 by German poet Ludwig Uhland and set to
>>> >> music
>>>>> >>>> by Swiss composer Friedrich Silcher in 1825)
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> =====================
>>>>> >>>> Ich hatt' einen Kameraden,
>>>>> >>>> Einen bessern findst du nit.
>>>>> >>>> Die Trommel schlug zum Streite,
>>>>> >>>> Er ging an meiner Seite
>>>>> >>>> In gleichem Schritt und Tritt.
>>>>> >>>> In gleichem Schritt und Tritt.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Eine Kugel kam geflogen,
>>>>> >>>> Gilt's mir oder gilt es dir?
>>>>> >>>> Ihn hat es weggerissen,
>>>>> >>>> Er liegt mir vor den Füßen,
>>>>> >>>> Als wär's ein Stück von mir.
>>>>> >>>> Als wär's ein Stück von mir.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Will mir die Hand noch reichen,
>>>>> >>>> Derweil ich eben lad.
>>>>> >>>> Kann dir die Hand nicht geben,
>>>>> >>>> Bleib du im ew'gen Leben
>>>>> >>>> Mein guter Kamerad!
>>>>> >>>> Mein guter Kamerad!
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> ======================
>>>>> >>>> My literal translation:
>>>>> >>>> -------------------------
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I once had a comrade
>>>>> >>>> You will never find a better one!
>>>>> >>>> The drums beat for battle.
>>>>> >>>> He went right at my side
>>>>> >>>> with equal gait and stride.
>>>>> >>>> with equal gait and stride.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> A bullet came flying
>>>>> >>>> Meant for me or meant for you?
>>>>> >>>> It tore him apart
>>>>> >>>> He lies at my feet
>>>>> >>>> As if he was a piece of me.
>>>>> >>>> As if he was a piece of me.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> He still wants to give me his hand
>>>>> >>>> All the while I am reloading:
>>>>> >>>> "I cannot give you my hand!
>>>>> >>>> So stay in eternal life,
>>>>> >>>> My good Comrade,
>>>>> >>>> My good Comrade!"
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