Re: [ConstellationTalk] Forgiveness

  • From: Andrew White <andrew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:30:54 +0100

Personally, when I hear people speak of forgiveness, I do the following. I mentally substitute the words "Let go of" for the word "forgiveness." And I ask myself if the speaker's words then ring true.

So for example, if I imagine a holocaust survivor saying that he or she has "let go of" what happened in the camps 80 years ago, I could trust that the forgiveness may be real.

But when, as happened recently after the church shooting in America, within 24 hours the family go on camera saying that they have forgiven the killer, then if I translate as "We have let go of this killing", I hear something unreal.

It may be a cultivated identity as "I am a forgiver", it may be a way to bind pain or hold the self together, but it is unreal.

I can't really understand forgiveness as other than letting-go-of. And it takes (depending on the person, depending on the event) time to let go of intense events.

Best wishes to all

Andrew


On 04/07/2015 01:27, Robert Grant erebees@xxxxxxxxx [ConstellationTalk] wrote:

Hello to All,

Overwhelming terror and trauma may compel us to find some strategy to
alleviate the pain. Forgiveness may well be one such strategy. Even if
it is illusory, the experience of choice may reduce the sense of
powerlessness, vulnerability and fear. One may feel more powerful and
safe if one can choose this, that or the other. It may well take a high
level of comfort, safety or confidence to contemplate, recognise and
accept powerlessness and vulnerability.

“Vulnerability is not a weakness, a passing indisposition, or something
we can arrange to do without, vulnerability is not a choice,
vulnerability is the underlying, ever present and abiding under-current
of our natural state.”  David Whyte

Best wishes to all,

Robert





On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Christine Ruettimann
christine.sarena@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:christine.sarena@xxxxxxxxx>
[ConstellationTalk] <ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ConstellationTalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

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    Hi everyone

    I receive the regular newsletter from the Spiritual Media Blog.
    This one inspired me and I want to share the letter with you.
    It is about forgiveness. I remember our recent thread here about
    this topic in constellations.
    This is not about constellation but about reconciliation and just
    beautiful to behold.

    Christine Sarena :)

                 Spiritual Media Blog Newsletter

         In November of 2008, Pakistani Muslim terrorists attacked
    Mumbai. One of their targets, the 5-Star Oberoi Hotel, was
    where Master Charles Cannon, and twenty-four of his
    international Synchronicity associates were staying.
    During the ensuing 45-hour siege, four in the group were
    wounded and two - long time members Alan Scherr and his
    daughter Naomi - were killed.


         Charles and Synchronicity survivors responded with
    forgiveness.  When rescued by SWAT teams and interviewed by
    the international media, they all expressed immediate
    compassion and understanding toward the terrorists, offering
    words of forgiveness, not accusation.


         I recently had a chance to interview Master Charles
    Cannon about what it was like being in the midst of a
    terrorist attack, how he responded and why he chose
    to forgive his attackers.  His answer really inspired me
    when he said:


         "Our response was to pay attention, both internally and
    externally. Often people panic in a crisis and become so
    overwhelmed with fear that they frantically search for
    external strategies: "What should I do?"

         We asked a different question: "Who am I choosing to be?"
    We refused to be victims.  That's a choice, after all.
    Instead, we chose to continue as we were, focusing on the
    inner values that we cherish above all - love, compassion,
    peace.....

           We didn't condone what the terrorists were doing, of
    course, and we certainly felt fear and sorrow. But we were
    able to compassionately forgive them because we did not
    separate them from ourselves. Oneness includes everyone,
    even those most radically different than yourself."


         The message that really GOT to me was that he chose
    who he was BEING -- and then from that state, he was able to
    think and perceive the events much more clearly.


         He also acknowledged that he felt fear and sorrow.
    These 'negative' emotions often get demonized by some
    self-help gurus and spiritual teachers leading to denial,
    repression and inauthenticity.  However, allowing
    yourself to feel, express and work through your heartfelt
    fear, sorrow and even anger (especially in times of tragedy)
    can eventually put yourself in a position to offer a much
    more AUTHENTIC and healing type of forgiveness because your
    anger, sadness and fear have been released....


         If you want read more about what it was like for Charles,
    including some practical actions he took to help himself and
    others survive during the attack, you can read the entire
    transcript of our interview at:

    
http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=JeY_s&m=LOEX53S4Dh6qt5&b=tn.d5b6PhLQijuxtnS.iUA

         But, the above passage was the part that really inspired
    me!

    Peace and Blessings,
    Matthew Welsh, Esq.
    Creator of Spiritual Media Blog
    --The News Source for Spiritual Entertainment--





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