[ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
- From: Justin Kauflin <blindguy500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 19:13:59 -0400
Chelsea,
As if anything needs to be added to that very complete assessment by D! J!
X!, here's my two sense.
As a fellow newby to all of this, I'd say Sonar with a good Windows PC
configuration would probably suit you best, as the support from Dancing Dots
and this list, not to mention the tutorial that pretty much covers all you'll
need to know to get started will do you a lot of good. The latest version of
ProTools 8.0.4 has been made accessible with Voice Over on the Mac, but it is
the first version, so, at this point, I don't think it would offer as much as
Sonar with Jaws does. For me, its been worth it to get started with Sonar,
mainly because it offers so much for someone who is new to recording.
Good luck with whatever you do,
Justin
On Aug 28, 2010, at 1:15 PM, D!J!X! wrote:
> In terms of results, you could accomplish the same thing with either program,
> which is record and make your music. The reason why pro tools is always
> talked about and well known is because you could say it is the industry
> standard for studios, schools and music professionals. But doesn't really
> mean much, unless you'll be interacting with other studios, then you would
> find a way to have projects be exchangeable between sonar and pt. The reason
> why pro tools became the standard was because it was by far the best
> recording software on the mac. The mac became the standard for video
> recording/editing, audio production, graphics design etc, because macs by
> nature and due to apple's limited and close production with their hardware
> vendors run smooth. In the apple world, Steve Jobs says what goes in what
> will be allowed and what won't. You see it with the IPhone, IPad, and
> virtually any apple product. Due to this limited production model, macs run
> smoothly. Unlike the pc's where you can have chipsets made by various
> manufacturers, components are made by various companies, the line for errors
> in a pc system is greater because you have a greater chance of getting 2
> components in a system that don't work well together, or that will cause
> bottlenecks etc. This is the only reason that macs are prefered, and of yes
> there is some truth to the fact that they are more stable software wise, but
> that is in part due to the unix platform (something that we'll leave there in
> order to keep the post from getting too much into the computer science side
> of things), and because again, windows OS has to be written with various
> vendors and components in mind and so much other crap, as where the apple OS
> is written for that specific hardware and those specific components. Windows
> also has to deal with the legacy issue, where people expect their 10 year old
> printer to work with the new windows7. This is why a lot of code on windows
> has to be kept, despite it's aging conditions. On the mac, if the new OS
> doesn't work with your system or a certain program etc, you just don't
> upgrade the OS, or if you do upgrade, you lose that hardware or software and
> live without it. Those who are use to this way of things and apple's way are
> fine with it, they live with it and move on; Microsoft tries to move on and
> leave things behind and the world goes bolistic! Also remember that third
> parties (the companies who make your software and/or hardware) have to do
> their part and write what we know as drivers or patch updates or upgrades to
> keep things working.
> This is the main reason why things are the way they are in the computing
> world. It's a lot of myths that have been thrown out there, and that people
> just assume to be real or take as facts without doing the proper research.
> The fact is that you can produce equally good music on proTools or Sonar, or
> Cuase for that matter, hek why not even reaper, audacity or NTrack studio.
> You just need the tools to do it and learn your software in and out and
> upside down; get conftable in the environment you're going to be working in
> and take off!
> In the pc side of things, sonar for us is the best solution at the moment
> when it comes to accessibility; you have 2 accessibility packages that can
> give you excellent access to various versions and editions of Sonar. Some are
> also using Cubase, and depending on your needs other software is coming along
> that can be accessed by window eyes and/or jaws. From what i worked with and
> heard from others, pro tools on the pc is a definite no go, not accessible,
> and of course who knows when digidesign will get around to it; they place
> priority on the mac version because that's obviously where the meat and
> potatos is at. You could get a custom built DAW on the windows platform that
> will run smoothly and give you outstanding performance with sonar, and you
> can be just as efective as a producer who uses a mac and pro tools, assuming
> of course that you know what you're doing and have taken the time to learn
> sonar and suck the juice out of it!
> With a custom build you don't have to worry about issues with the system or
> bottlenecks or non-working equipment etc. We system builders spend hours
> testing, troubleshooting, configuring, optimizing, retesting,
> troubleshooting, purchasing different hardware, making diferent
> configurations etc, so that we can build the ultimate system; you don't have
> to worry about all that: putting the components together, installing delicate
> stuff like processors, working in the bios, risking screwing up the pc,
> working in the windows registry and with various command prompts etc, you
> just get the computer from us, turn it on, install whatever (if not already
> installed), and get to working!
> Pro tools on the mac should be coming out with a more accessible version
> that we hopefully can use, and apple should hopefully be getting an
> accessible version of logic if not already out, (Bryan Smart is the guy to
> ask on that front).
> Yes you can install windows on a separate partition of the intel macs and
> launch it on something like boot camp etc, not sure how well that'll work,
> i've never used it. I've seen it done and the system seems stable, but that
> wasn't dealing with audio work and/or heavy and intensive processing software
> like a daw.
> So you do have options, you just need to balance it all and see where you
> want to go with all of it. It's just not fair to say that 1 system is better
> than the other, they are close, it's more about the user experience. This is
> like the same old argument we had in music theory classes when i was in
> college, about which composition software was better, finale or sibelius. It
> was a never ending argument, and at the end both were equally as good, it
> all comes down to what you are use to using and what are you best on.
>
> HTH, D!J!X!
>
> From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:19 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> So is Pro Tools to the Mac what Sonar is to the PC? So I could either use a
> Windows PC with Sonar, or a Mac with Pro Tools and get the same results? Just
> trying to figure all this out. I'd eventually need a DAW--Mac or PC--for a
> recording studeo, either my own or in a production studeo.
>
> Thanks,
> Chelsea
>
> From: Justin Kauflin <blindguy500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: August 27, 2010 6:29 PM
> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
>
> Chelsea,
> I believe that since Dancing Dots works mainly with Jaws and software
> that runs in the Windows environment, the Mac won't do you much good unless
> you are running Windows in Boot Camp on the Mac. This is actually what I'm
> doing now. I ended up getting a Mac because of the new accessibility
> features of Pro Tools and wanted to have the best of both worlds. If your
> not interested in messing with Pro Tools, and were looking for a dedicated
> work station, you might be better off getting a Windows machine running Jaws.
>
> Hope that helps some,
> Justin
> On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Chelsea Dye wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is available
>> for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such as the one that
>> is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chelsea
>
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