[ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
- From: "D!J!X!" <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 13:52:16 -0400
Well my question is what would you like to do? Are you just learning mixing
for work in a radio station, or are you looking to produce your own music
and all that?
If you want to make your own productions and you enjoy the pleasure of
recording stuff on your own then you should look into a home studio. If you
say just write lyrics and you want to record without having to worry about
the rest of the details, then you should just have somebody else record for
you, but it's really up to what you'd like.
HTH, D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 1:38 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Hi D.J.,
Wow! Thanks so much for the complete and helpful answer. Here's the deal,
though: I've never used either Pro Tools or Sonar. When I was at my college
radio station, they had CoolEdit with WindowEyes, and it wasn't a very good
situation. I would've had to learn WE not to mention CoolEdit. And the
software didn't work 100% with each other. There were some memory issues or
something, and they never got it figured out.
So I'd like to start fresh. First, I'd like to experience both systems and
setups. Unfortunately, that might not be posible logistically.
I need mixing/producing experience. Should I creat a home studeo or look
around my local area for recording studeos or radio stations? The only
problem with the latter option is that companies are looking for
experience--experience I don't have yet.
I love the possibilities Sonar can present! That demo Gordon did was
amazing!
Take care,
Chelsea
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From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: August 28, 2010 1:15 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
In terms of results, you could accomplish the same thing with either
program, which is record and make your music. The reason why pro tools is
always talked about and well known is because you could say it is the
industry standard for studios, schools and music professionals. But doesn't
really mean much, unless you'll be interacting with other studios, then you
would find a way to have projects be exchangeable between sonar and pt. The
reason why pro tools became the standard was because it was by far the best
recording software on the mac. The mac became the standard for video
recording/editing, audio production, graphics design etc, because macs by
nature and due to apple's limited and close production with their hardware
vendors run smooth. In the apple world, Steve Jobs says what goes in what
will be allowed and what won't. You see it with the IPhone, IPad, and
virtually any apple product. Due to this limited production model, macs run
smoothly. Unlike the pc's where you can have chipsets made by various
manufacturers, components are made by various companies, the line for errors
in a pc system is greater because you have a greater chance of getting 2
components in a system that don't work well together, or that will cause
bottlenecks etc. This is the only reason that macs are prefered, and of yes
there is some truth to the fact that they are more stable software wise, but
that is in part due to the unix platform (something that we'll leave there
in order to keep the post from getting too much into the computer science
side of things), and because again, windows OS has to be written with
various vendors and components in mind and so much other crap, as where the
apple OS is written for that specific hardware and those specific
components. Windows also has to deal with the legacy issue, where people
expect their 10 year old printer to work with the new windows7. This is why
a lot of code on windows has to be kept, despite it's aging conditions. On
the mac, if the new OS doesn't work with your system or a certain program
etc, you just don't upgrade the OS, or if you do upgrade, you lose that
hardware or software and live without it. Those who are use to this way of
things and apple's way are fine with it, they live with it and move on;
Microsoft tries to move on and leave things behind and the world goes
bolistic! Also remember that third parties (the companies who make your
software and/or hardware) have to do their part and write what we know as
drivers or patch updates or upgrades to keep things working.
This is the main reason why things are the way they are in the computing
world. It's a lot of myths that have been thrown out there, and that people
just assume to be real or take as facts without doing the proper research.
The fact is that you can produce equally good music on proTools or Sonar, or
Cuase for that matter, hek why not even reaper, audacity or NTrack studio.
You just need the tools to do it and learn your software in and out and
upside down; get conftable in the environment you're going to be working in
and take off!
In the pc side of things, sonar for us is the best solution at the moment
when it comes to accessibility; you have 2 accessibility packages that can
give you excellent access to various versions and editions of Sonar. Some
are also using Cubase, and depending on your needs other software is coming
along that can be accessed by window eyes and/or jaws. From what i worked
with and heard from others, pro tools on the pc is a definite no go, not
accessible, and of course who knows when digidesign will get around to it;
they place priority on the mac version because that's obviously where the
meat and potatos is at. You could get a custom built DAW on the windows
platform that will run smoothly and give you outstanding performance with
sonar, and you can be just as efective as a producer who uses a mac and pro
tools, assuming of course that you know what you're doing and have taken the
time to learn sonar and suck the juice out of it!
With a custom build you don't have to worry about issues with the system or
bottlenecks or non-working equipment etc. We system builders spend hours
testing, troubleshooting, configuring, optimizing, retesting,
troubleshooting, purchasing different hardware, making diferent
configurations etc, so that we can build the ultimate system; you don't have
to worry about all that: putting the components together, installing
delicate stuff like processors, working in the bios, risking screwing up
the pc, working in the windows registry and with various command prompts
etc, you just get the computer from us, turn it on, install whatever (if not
already installed), and get to working!
Pro tools on the mac should be coming out with a more accessible version
that we hopefully can use, and apple should hopefully be getting an
accessible version of logic if not already out, (Bryan Smart is the guy to
ask on that front).
Yes you can install windows on a separate partition of the intel macs and
launch it on something like boot camp etc, not sure how well that'll work,
i've never used it. I've seen it done and the system seems stable, but that
wasn't dealing with audio work and/or heavy and intensive processing
software like a daw.
So you do have options, you just need to balance it all and see where you
want to go with all of it. It's just not fair to say that 1 system is better
than the other, they are close, it's more about the user experience. This is
like the same old argument we had in music theory classes when i was in
college, about which composition software was better, finale or sibelius. It
was a never ending argument, and at the end both were equally as good, it
all comes down to what you are use to using and what are you best on.
HTH, D!J!X!
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Chelsea Dye
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:19 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
So is Pro Tools to the Mac what Sonar is to the PC? So I could either use a
Windows PC with Sonar, or a Mac with Pro Tools and get the same results?
Just trying to figure all this out. I'd eventually need a DAW--Mac or
PC--for a recording studeo, either my own or in a production studeo.
Thanks,
Chelsea
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From: Justin Kauflin <blindguy500@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: August 27, 2010 6:29 PM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Mac support for CakeTalking and Sonar
Chelsea,
I believe that since Dancing Dots works mainly with Jaws and software
that runs in the Windows environment, the Mac won't do you much good unless
you are running Windows in Boot Camp on the Mac. This is actually what I'm
doing now. I ended up getting a Mac because of the new accessibility
features of Pro Tools and wanted to have the best of both worlds. If your
not interested in messing with Pro Tools, and were looking for a dedicated
work station, you might be better off getting a Windows machine running
Jaws.
Hope that helps some,
Justin
On Aug 27, 2010, at 3:00 PM, Chelsea Dye wrote:
Hi list,
I'm considering getting a Mac, and was wondering what support is available
for Dancing Dots products. Also, can Braille displays such as the one that
is part of the Pac Mate work with Macs?
Thanks,
Chelsea
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