Hey now that's a fundamental change! First let's (not), discuss the epic trigger-happy "windows versus apple OS" then move on to jaws/window eyes/NVDA... versus apple voiceover. Hmmm, the more i think about this, i feel bad for apple; it's always apple versus the world (or so it seems). I've Used voiceover a few times, in the context of the apple OS, it runs great and smooth. That's probably due to things that the OS does differently though, and maybe even that apple has deep links between the 2. It's like the strange rare situation, where narrator (yes I said narrator, that weird rapsi voiced thing in xp, and the more suitable yet still annoying feemale robot on vista/7 OS), reads a screen and gives you info that jaws doesn't or has access to some part of the screen that jaws doesn't. And it's also what microsoft is doing now in windows8, since narrator is getting an extreme makeover (i hope)! So, back to CT and jaws, since that's what this list is about.. Regards, D!J!X! _____ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:07 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: jaws 13 with windows 7 So now that we've compared different versions of jaws, is apple's voiceover any better for us? ----- Original Message ----- From: D!J!X! <mailto:megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:01 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: jaws 13 with windows 7 Jaws 11 64 runs good, 12 is ok, 13 definitely sucks. Windows7 and jaws 11 work somewhat good, there's honestly no better improvements on jaws 12, it now seems that all the fixes and upgrades are made to that lookup source crap or some other remote feature. I haven't seen a good update to jaws in a while; no adding of new scripts to support or improve on applications other than office and the occasional bugs). But a real update with some actual new features that work and stuff would be a plus. The OCR feature is OK IMO, but you lose out, cuz it does run slower at times, laggs for no reason in others. I've seen this behaviour on both 32 and 64bit platforms. JAWS 11 isn't bug free either, neither is 12, and even in all fairness sometimes jaws has to do work arounds and who know what background/under the hood things to work with some of windows more complicated UI stuff and such things, but still unexceptable for a almost thousand dollar piece of software! That's like buying an RME interface to find that it's performing crappy; people will pay big bucks, but they'll also expect big things! But I can recommend jaws11 for windows 7, it works well enough, depending on what you'll be using windows for. Jaws10 is a definite no-no. You could always switch between jaws11 and 13 if need be, I personally kep a demo of it (can't justify upgrading SMA), but i have it to run whenever i need something scanned, however i haven't had much luck with that... HTH, D!J!X! _____ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Fioravanti Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:40 PM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: jaws 13 with windows 7 Along this line is anyone using jaws 13 with windows 7 ultimate 64 bit? That's what I'm using and am not sure if I like the way jaws is running. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Farfar in the Sound Booth <mailto:dgcarlson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:23 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: jaws 13 with windows 7 JAWS 13 itself does not run as well as did JAWS 11 in my opinion, regardless of the operating system. So it's better the devil you know than the angel you don't. Go ahead and use JAWS 13 with Windows 7 as you will benefit from future upgrades. Dave Carlson Tastefully composed and transmitted from somewhere in the Western United States, using a Dell Latitude E6520 and Windows 7 ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno <mailto:omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 15:20 Subject: [ddots-l] jaws 13 with windows 7 Hello, Just curious, I just bought a machine with Windows 7, (my first upgrade since xp,) and wanted to know whether users here find that Jaws 13 runs better with w7 or wxp? Thanks. Omar Binno Website: www.bigoproductions.net