[ddots-l] Re: putting together backing tracks
- From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:32:28 +0100
Agreed. The RCF speakers are nice however, I won't be going for RCF active
bins as I want to keep the rig here, passive.
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: 23 July 2010 19:26
To: ddtots
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: putting together backing tracks
Hi damon,
I've listened to your tracks on your web site, they sound great, just create
tracks like that and push the drums slightly forward for your live mix (only
for your live set) as you already have them mix great for studio mixed
products).
Maybe sometime in the future, you could take a listen to the active RCF
speakers. RCF do active speakers that are 750 watts per speaker and are
lighter than the Mackies.
For convenience and quality sound I don't think there's anything to top the
RCF active speakers.
If transportation and Money wasn't the issue then I'd love to be using Nexo
speakers or Martin audio speakers as they are in my opinion the best live
speakers I've ever heard, I can spot Nexo and Martin audio before anyone
tells me the makes.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Damon <mailto:dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxx> Fibraio
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:01 PM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: putting together backing tracks
Steve. I was kind of going along the lines yu suggested. I am hoping I can
find places to play with a built in PA system. But if I don't, my cousin has
a PA, ev evolution 15's with a sub, but that's a lot of gear to haul and he
may not do it, he's flaky like that. But, we'll see. I just have to figure
out what songs I want to do and then go from there.
--
Damon Fibraio
screen names -- aol: dfibraio...msn dfibraio@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: dfibraio
Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Wicketts
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:21 AM
To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: putting together backing tracks
Hi Damon,
I do the kind of Shows you are talking about.
It's quite long winded writing and recording the tracks but very rewarding.
If you want to sound live,
1: don't over produce your tracks or have two many instruments,
Set yourself a fictitious band, example, Drummer, Bass Guitarist, Rhythm
guitarist, Horns section and keyboard player.
2: Simply right the arrangements for your band members,
3: try to keep the bass guitar, Drums and horns similar or the same on all
tracks. these instruments will need to be chosen carefully so they work well
on all styles.
4: try not to have too many backing singers as that is definitely Harry
Karaoke,
5: Your Mackie speaker may not be powerful enough on it's own, I'm guessing
it's a 450 watt active speaker.
If it's made in China which the new ones are, it's not going to have a full
enough rounded sound on it's own.
If it's Italian from say 4 to 6 years ago, it may just do it for a small bar
like venue.
You really could do with two Mackie speakers with the bass boost switches
pushed in.
The Roland AX works very well live, I always do my first set using the
Roland AX and my last set features the piano where I play good old Rock 'N'
Roll, as I perform my tribute to the Killer, Jerry Lee Lewis.
Great choices for the Drums and Bass Guitar.
Zoom is also good, I believe Phil from the list uses one live.
Steve W
----- Original Message -----
From: Damon Fibraio <mailto:dfibraio@xxxxxxxxx>
To: midimag@xxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:21 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] putting together backing tracks
OK, so I am sitting here contemplating this solo project thing. And I have
some general ideas, but would really like some help from those of you doing
this kind of thing.
My goal is to put together sets of music that I play along to. Either I play
the tracks from my newly acquired Zoom h4n or I use my laptop. Not sure
which yet. The tracks will be rock and roll based, generally from the 60s
through today, probably with a larger emphasis on 70s and 80s and some 90s
and some modern, although I won't rule out a beatles song or whatnot. My
weapons of choice for recording the tracks include sonar 8.5.3 lots of
effects, superior drummer as a plugin for drums, trilian for bass, my motif
xs7 run through a line6 pod x3 live or gear box for guitars, plus all my
ardware like the motif, pc3, ord rack 2x and soft synths like b4, pro53,
fm7, dimension pro, rapture and god knows what else I have here.
So, my problems are like this. IN putting together tracks, I am trying not
to go too far into overproduced land, so no doubling backing vocals, trying
not to overarrange things, basically making it drums, bass, one or two
guitars, and enough keyboard parts that can be officially pulled off live. I
don't want it to sound too canned, I want it to have a live feel to it. So,
there'd be no more than 2 harony parts in addition to what I sing. I plan on
going one step further with this live and actually doing guitar oriented
stuff using my roland ax1 shoulder controller for the guitar stuff, like say
I want to do Talk dirty to me by poison, I'd literally play it on a keytar
including the solos using a motif xs7 guitar patch going through my pod.
Now.
My biggest issue is finding the rght drum sound for superior drummer. I
don't know if I should make it sound like abig room or more tight. I have
always liked a big room drum sound. Plus, should I tailor the drum sound for
each song. Say I am going to do are you gonna go my way by lenny kravitz.
That's a different sound on the drum compared to 25 oor 6 2 4 by Chicago,
which is different than cult of personality by living color, which is
different to some beatles track. So, should I get one template drum sound or
tailor them to each song? I am worried about it sounding too much like
karaoke and want it to sound like it would if there were musicians behind
me. So, what's the best way to go about making this sound that way?
Also, what kind of PA requirements would I need for something like this? I
currently only use one Mackie srm monitor. I wonder if that would be enough?
It's got a 12 inch woofer and a horn tweeter. Put it on astand, maybe it'd
be good, but it wouldn't be stereo. I know that doesn't matter, I am not
going to pan my tracks left and right. But should I try something else
Also, effects? Record vocals dry or not?
Lastly, am I barking up the wrong tree with this kind of material? I don't
really want to do atypical set of Billy Joel and Elton john and all light
stuff. I want to do some of that, but I also want to rock out a bit and do
things most people would never expect a keyboard player to do. I just want
it to be believeable and not sound like karaoke. So, any suggestions and I'd
love you forevfer.
If I think of other questions, I'll throw them in, but 6this is probably too
much as it is.
--
Damon Fibraio
personal site: http://www.keyboardguy.com
band site: Days Before Tomorrow http://www.daysbeforetomorrow.com
Find me on facebook as Damon fibraio or twitter as dfibraio
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