Hi Jean, There is an upgrade in the pipeline to accommodate these changes, but I have no idea at this point when it will be released. It is being worked on, is about as much as I dare say right now. I'll have to work on your second question later as it's time to head home. George. ________________________________ From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:34 PM To: DBT list Subject: [duxuser] new braille symbols With the release of the BANA Code Updates for literary and textbook formats that were just released and which took effect on January 1, there are new symbols for things like copyright, trademark and registered. Dots 4-5 "c", "t", and "r" respectively. Will these codes be added to the next release of DBT? Also, how are rule changes encorporated? Will DBT wait until the entire code is revised, or do they build in changes as they are approved? I'm thinking here of the new rule in literary English braille to not insert an apostrophe in plural numbers, abbreviations, etc., and to use the termination indicator instead if changing from an uppercase abbreviation to a lowercase plural "s". Is there any way to create the new symbols for copyright, trademark and registered in simbraille in Word? I can't think of what might create the dot 4-5 part. Jean "Stressed" spelled backward is "desserts"