Thanks, Susan, I thought that since these are new symbols that perhaps the symbol itself wasn't in DBT yet. Jean Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [duxuser] Re: new braille symbols Jean, If you are using the BANA template, you can type the ASCII characters (^c for copyright) for the symbol and use the "Exact Translation" character style (Alt+Ctrl+Shift+E) on those characters to change it to simbraille. The trick is, when you are using the BANA template, make sure you DON'T have "Treat braille and simbraille fonts as braille" checked in DBT's Word Importer. The style takes care of importing and translating the simbraille font correctly. You can end up with some unwanted results if you are using both the Exact Translation style and have that option checked in DBT's Word Importer. If you are using one of DBT's other templates, type the ASCII characters and apply the Simbraille font. In this case you must check "Treat braille and simbraille fonts as braille" in DBT's Word Importer for correct importing and translating. Susan From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:13 PM To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [duxuser] Re: new braille symbols George, All is good then. Re a simbraille character for copyright, etc., obviously the temporary workaround is to have DBT insert a character for unknown characters when importing a Word doc and then replace it in the braille file. But I'm just curious if you can somehow force a dot combination using simbraille. Thanks for pondering this one. Jean "Stressed" spelled backward is "desserts" ----- Original Message ----- From: George Bell To: duxuser@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [duxuser] Re: new braille symbols Hi Jean, There is an upgrade in the pipeline to accommodate these changes, but I have no idea at this point when it will be released. It is being worked on, is about as much as I dare say right now. I'll have to work on your second question later as it's time to head home. George. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:duxuser-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:34 PM To: DBT list Subject: [duxuser] new braille symbols With the release of the BANA Code Updates for literary and textbook formats that were just released and which took effect on January 1, there are new symbols for things like copyright, trademark and registered. Dots 4-5 "c", "t", and "r" respectively. Will these codes be added to the next release of DBT? Also, how are rule changes encorporated? Will DBT wait until the entire code is revised, or do they build in changes as they are approved? I'm thinking here of the new rule in literary English braille to not insert an apostrophe in plural numbers, abbreviations, etc., and to use the termination indicator instead if changing from an uppercase abbreviation to a lowercase plural "s". Is there any way to create the new symbols for copyright, trademark and registered in simbraille in Word? I can't think of what might create the dot 4-5 part. Jean "Stressed" spelled backward is "desserts"