I wonder if any of our Aggie buddies ever did an ROTC tour at Fordham, etc in
NYC or the northeast. I did not. Might have been a similarly awkward
experience for us. Any of you guys ever do an ROTC tour?
On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:17 AM, Jeff Davis (Redacted sender "bqdavis77" for
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Freudian slip?
On Mar 16, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Mark Kelley <markrkelley77@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:markrkelley77@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I was called into Major Orr's (Old Army Orr of the Ordnance Corps was his
nickname if I recall correctly) office for the obligatory "do you want to
get a commission" talk. I told him that my fiance didn't want to be an Army
wife (that's another story) so, no thank you, sir.
We were in the midst of our brief conversation when Holzman walked in. I
stood up in respect as she was a lady, and addressed her as Holstein. The
room fell deathly quiet. I was embarrassed and corrected myself and
apologized. Nothing was said further.
Mark R. Kelley
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On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 9:59 AM Bill Schwennsen <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ted is much better at reducing a Yankee accent to the written word than I am.
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Hotzmann: Mis-tuh Jackson, what does the bwue stand for? Hank replied,
Wod-duh. He trotted down the quad, waving his ram slips, all the way. Ted
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There were several of us in Lt Holzzman's class spring semester our
pisshead year. I think Bill, Ted, Hank Jackson, Les Abernathy, etc. were
some in the class, at one point teaching us map reading. Toward the end of
one class in map reading, she asked us "what color is the water?" (in her
Yankee accent) Without practice, without prompting, we all said "blue"
trying to mimic her Yankee accent. The next class, she did not come in,
Cpt. Orr or another captain came in and instructed us in the proper way to
treat an office - we were doing pushups for quite a while.
Doesn't anyone else remember this? Many of us decided to go D&C because of
the Lt.
Killer
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I was D&C but Holtzman was the only female bull that year, as I remember.
She was disliked by many, both cadet and cadre. Her smart-ass Yankee mouth
and accent didn't exactly endear her to us Texican boys..... I believe she
was on staff on pisshead year also, I seem to remember having her for a few
classes in the Trigon.
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I agree with Ted. LT Holtzman was the only female bull. She tried so hard
to be a ballbuster and failed miserably. I think the Aggie bulls weren’t
particularly enamored with her but the non Aggie ones treated her decently.
Rumor was CPT Webber our Army advisor was nailing her. I never believed it
until our butt year when Brian Green got me a job as a
projectionist/cashier at the Sun Theater and they walked in together to
watch the groad flicks. I kept my eyes straight ahead and didn’t act like I
knew them or make eye contact but I know he knew I recognized them. Hell, I
was getting ready for summer camp and spent enough time in his office. Groad
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On Mar 16, 2021, at 4:14 AM, Patrick Pennington <AggieFNP@xxxxxxx
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Queso, Ruth Ann was a good friend who just wanted to be a good Aggie and
officer. I did and do respect her a lot, but her hubby, JB is a political
douche IMO. She obviously loves him so what can I say? Oh, it wasn’t me
that sent ya. Groad
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Ruth Ann was our same class year. Not a bull. Or a bull-ette!
I once had a dinner date with her spring 77 and someone... I wonder who,
sent me to the quad the next day. A Monday. Duncan was closed on Sunday
nights. We had to eat off campus. My only quadding.
Anyone in this group gonna fess up?
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On Mar 15, 2021 22:11, Stephen Wright <dr.wilbur.wright@xxxxxxxxx
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Only one I knew was Ruth Ann Schumacher but I think she went Army.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 10:05 PM Michael Brown <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hey, Dr. COL Wright, or other Air Force guys.
Do any of you recall a female officer in the ROTC detachment during our
years there?
Having an online discussion with a guy who claims his mom was one, in the
first year women were in the Corps, so 1974-1975. Says the male officers
treated her like crap, and some cadets refused to salute.
Sounds like a fairy tale to me, I was D&C, but would have been taken ROTC
in pisshead year, and I don't recall a female. You'd think one would be
rare enough to register on me.
A scan of the Aggielands online also fails to show any female officers in
any branch.
Dean
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Dr Steve "Wilbur" Wright
